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by Tempest414
23 Sep 2020, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

There are other, relatively cheap options, without stealing parts from future ships. As has been noted above (most recently by Ron5), there is an existing 40mm upgrade for the current ASCG Bushmaster 30mm, and even a 50mm Bushmaster III in development, which is apparently intended to fit the existi...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2020, 10:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

My first move would be to fit new 40mm to the B2's but if there is no money then For me I would take them from Type 31 There are no T31s to take them from. As to the 30mm from type 23 these would be from decommissioned ships and not removed from active ships There are no decommissioned T23s. For fu...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2020, 10:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

2 x 40mm removed from type 31 and replaced by 3 x 30mm and 1 x Phalanx ( 30mm guns to come from T-23 and B2's ) 1 x 30mm removed from River B2's and replaced by a 40mm taken from the T-31 Remaining 40mm guns fitted to Carriers The 40mm isn't in service yet and won't be for a number of years. That's...
by Tempest414
23 Sep 2020, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

What does this mean for the B2's it means it can only be in the lowest threat areas i.e the North West end of the med .....and lots of other parts of the world where offshore patrolling merely features an Offshore Patrol Vessel. But my earlier point remains, it's satisfactorily armed for an OPV. Th...
by Tempest414
22 Sep 2020, 12:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1972
Views: 547642
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Re: Future Solid Support Ship

The Armchair Soldier wrote:which will build on the success of Type 31.
Interesting they state T-31 as a success unless they mean the procurement
by Tempest414
22 Sep 2020, 10:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Hang on, what about the 76mm which has been around for decades, and still is, and which we used to on the HK patrol squadron's vessels? Surely if a larger calibre than 30mm was needed that could have been fitted? The 76mm went out of UK service in 1996 with the HK sqn and since then there has been ...
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2020, 14:21
Forum: Defence Elsewhere
Topic: Ukrainian Forces
Replies: 91
Views: 5463
France

Re: Ukrainian Forces

So the UK could loan Ukraine 1.2 billion to build 8 new fast attack boats and the talk is of Vita or super-Vita class ships and if this goes ahead and works another loan for a new class of ship this could be good news for Appledore
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2020, 11:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19150
Views: 7058633
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

For me after type 26/31 the next ships that need building are the 3 SSS and then the MHPC. I think SSS should be built at CL and should followed by the Amphib replacement program and MHPC should follow type 31 at Babcock. For me MHPC should be a 105 x 17 meter ship with a 25 meter covered and open w...
by Tempest414
21 Sep 2020, 10:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

...and I thought we'd finally come to conclusion that they don't need up-arming err... no. Quite agree far from it just because some here are happy with the 30mm in its current form a gun that has a 5 km range and no Anti-air capability I for one am not. I would agree that for home waters EEZ and t...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 18:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Over the last few years, Echo and Enterprise have both been deployed to the Mediterranean on migrant patrol and freedom of navigation exercises in the Black Sea. They only have a 20mm main gun. There are far better things for the RN to invest its limited resources in than up arming OPVs. Yes the Ec...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 16:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

And NATO has not fired a anti ship missile in anger so lets all pack em up . it is this attitude that will see us wanting come that moment there is a need for a weapon that can do more than 30mm. there is only one reason the B2's are fitted with a 30mm and that is at this time until 40mm and 57mm co...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 13:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19150
Views: 7058633
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:12 x 20-25m fast cutters something along the line of the MK6 patrol boat.
now that would make a good order book for say Appledore if we added 14 more to replace the 2 Gib boats and the Archer class to make a order of 26
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 13:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

No it gets far more than just as helicopter, instead of trying to get one ship to do it all and the crew of an RFA plus an opv is probably still less than a frigate. yes but the over all cost would be 2 or 3 time as much Cost 2 or 3 times as much as what? 2 ships 2 crews say 160 , 80 RFA and 80 RN ...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 11:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
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Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

SW1 wrote:No it gets far more than just as helicopter, instead of trying to get one ship to do it all and the crew of an RFA plus an opv is probably still less than a frigate.
yes but the over all cost would be 2 or 3 time as much
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 11:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

What a mess we'd have made of things if another T26 delay meant that BAE had to knock out a couple of Leanders to keep the yard busy...we'd have 3 classes of Frigates as a result... It would be very interesting to know the price difference between a 105m Leander vs an RB3 with identical armament,se...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 11:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

SW1 wrote:Or just have a RFA assigned to work with them on their overseas station thus providing persistence, logistics and helicopter maintenance facilities.
That is 2 ships and 2 crew just to get a helicopter in one place
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 10:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Delay in T26-batch2 order is a nightmare, which MUST NOT HAPPEN. But, the same "must-not-happen" thing took place in 2013. Then, what is the worst-worst is, NOT PREPARING FOR IT, I guess. However we are now in a better place in that BAE have the Leander concept in sizes 99 to 120 meter wh...
by Tempest414
20 Sep 2020, 10:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8470
Views: 2143320
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Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

While everyone here is busy making their last minute changes to the T31 requirements, can I point out that the T26 has a boat bay plus the multi-mission space. Thus, if the multi-mission space is used by 4 RM craft which are all off doing some maritime interdiction (for example), the T26 will still...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2020, 17:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19150
Views: 7058633
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It’s targeted towards the immediate (@1 yr) post SDSR. RFA Argus is unlikely to be scrapped in that timeframe (and yes I’m hopeful of some form of replacement or two, either in the form of the FLSS or other). I’d say that the jury is out on the LPDs - most likely is that one remains in reserve, esp...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2020, 17:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

With all this talk of upgrading the RB2s I honestly not sure why they were chose in the first place. Don’t get me wrong as a EEZ dedicated OPV there spot on and I understand a near complete and ready design was needed to go asap but it seems there were better options to add greater use for the RN. ...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2020, 13:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

The Hero 120 is more likely to be operated by RM, some of whom may also be present on a OPV. Being man portable and easy to deploy I can't see why it can't be carried and deployed from the B2's but you are right it is more likely to be used by the RM. However 2 or 4 of these on fixed launchers coul...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2020, 12:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19150
Views: 7058633
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Trying to read through the current speculation on cuts and future strategy, revolving around light forward deployed forces and UK based but deployable CSGs and LSGs, it feels like the following could be the post SDSR RN position and deployment structure. https://i.ibb.co/KN8Jxjb/6298302-D-E853-48-F...
by Tempest414
19 Sep 2020, 11:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Looking at River B2, it has long range and endurance, with so-so hull standard, good (as an OPV) level CMS, normal armament, so-so speed, and optimized for very long sea-going days. If the priority differs, their equipment shall differ. The point is, River B2 is very much stressing on sea-going day...
by Tempest414
18 Sep 2020, 10:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 5411
Views: 1421067
France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

The spaces each side of the crane look like they could fit a Wildcat. I have pushing this around over the last few days and it seems that a Wildcat is 3.05 meters wide and a Bae Pacific 950 is 3 meters wide looking at the pictures of a Pac 950 carried on the waist of Tamar when on the Thames a wild...
by Tempest414
17 Sep 2020, 17:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1972
Views: 547642
France

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

This is more wind and piss from Boris first we need to see where his mates have invested i.e is it in the new H&W yards then you will see where the money is going