Will the Norwegians really want to replace 4 (+ scrapped Helge Ingstad) GP frigates with 5 ASW? They, more than many, appreciate the Russian threat but is that enough to so radically change their approach to fleet composition? It's not as if they currently have a mix of frigate types. The cynic in ...

Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to rebuild capability, Cammells/A&P would love the work if it is at no risk to them, SDA virtually bankrupted them again. A bit of subbing is fine, but the risk goes up the bigger the blocks are. As for Fergusons I wouldn't touch that dumpster fire with ...

You would need to overlook where the linage of commandos come from in 41 formed for the raids on the Norwegian and French coasts. Why start the clock in 1941? The commando raids and the invasion of Norway was all Britain could achieve at the time and Churchill wanted “action this day”. RM needs to ...

Because the public accounts are FUBAR….. It’s not that simple. HMG has little fiscal headroom because it is choosing not to reallocate funding to different priority areas. UK GDP is now more than £2.2Trillion. Government spending equates to around 45% of that figure. That’s a lot of money that coul...

Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to rebuild capability, Cammells/A&P would love the work if it is at no risk to them, SDA virtually bankrupted them again. A bit of subbing is fine, but the risk goes up the bigger the blocks are. As for Fergusons I wouldn't touch that dumpster fire with ...

We've already lost Westminster of the T23ASW, and Monmouth, Montrose and v likely Argyll of the T23GPs. All before delivery of any T26 or T31. True. But would they be crewed if they hadn't been lost? The 3 x GPs will be covered by T31, all of which are scheduled to be delivered by 2030. If we've al...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 19:09

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 18:21 The fleet will be looking more and more like the Australian one post review

Meaning?

The T31s are not Corvettes.

Neither are the Mogamis, but the Navantia Alphas are. The RAN/Aus MOD has some choices to make.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s. Never going to happen, What is more likely, much to your annoyance, is that T31 B2 goes ahead, keeps Babcock busy and could alleviate the shortfal...

mrclark303 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 17:54

We absolutely require a proper SDSR to reflect the radically changed world situation since the last review.

What has changed since the Integrated Review Refresh 2023?

new guy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 17:44 Anyone else found multiple posts here deleted?

Yes

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

I thought the problem was that they couldn't be built long enough in that location due to some historically valuable buildings behind. Apologies - I'm not explaining very well. I'm not suggesting extending the original sheds (red outline), but covering the area (yellow outline) currently used for o...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

These OPV+ are definitely NOT an escort but would in themsrlves be freeing up more escorts to do higher intensity warfighting escort missions rather than being sidetracked to cover OPV / HADR missions that escorts are today being sidetracked to. Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cov...

These OPV+ are definitely NOT an escort but would in themsrlves be freeing up more escorts to do higher intensity warfighting escort missions rather than being sidetracked to cover OPV / HADR missions that escorts are today being sidetracked to. Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cov...

Reading the DevonLive article it says about the previous closure

Appledore was bought by Harland and Wolff after former owner Babcock closed it in 2019 when it lost its contract with an Italian shipbuilding company Fincantieri.

Any idea what this contract was?

It’s a question of priorities: 1- More P8, ideally increase to 16 2- Maximise T31 and build 8 3- More SSN, aim for 12, start asap 4- More T26 only if HMG commits to 3% GDP 5- T32 but not before mid/late 2030s In that order IMO In a perfect world the optimum escort mix is: • 12x AAW Destroyers (T45/...

That’s just your bias coming out, off it must be this because I like it. If your principally fighting Russia the answer at sea it will largely be our submarines and maritime patrol aircraft in the Atlantic. The Russian submarines beyond there ssbns are largely some modern ssks not ssns. Most of it ...

A GP frigate for at least half the price or more can provide a good level of ASW with a TAS and it doesn't need to be modularised. But would your GP frigate actually catch any submarines? If the chances of that are tiny, it's wasted money. There a lots of frigates and destroyers around the world fi...

A GP frigate for at least half the price or more can provide a good level of ASW with a TAS and it doesn't need to be modularised. But would your GP frigate actually catch any submarines? If the chances of that are tiny, it's wasted money. There a lots of frigates and destroyers around the world fi...

Appledore Shipyard looks to hire 100 new workers. https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/appledore-shipyard-looks-hire-100-8883493 Anybody know what the 3 RFA's are? Aren’t they building parts of the FSSs? Yes the bow sections. Given the experience its Appledore shipyard has in the fabrication o...

We do have air defence assets and a fully integrated network. There is anti drone stuf, starstreak, camm, and aster. The real question is how much of it are you prepared to say is to be kept to be deployed around the uk or sent overseas or do we need more of it. We have 6 type 45s are we to say 3 w...

New Aster 15 EC in 2030, with twice range of the current Aster 15 at 60+km. https://meta-defense.fr/en/2024/04/11/missile-aster-15-ec-mbda-pour-2030/ In-service date 2030 or after Probably a similar time-frame to CAMM-MR (100km+), with CAMM-ER (45km+) in service with Italy in the relatively near fu...