I'd be much happier with a T23GP. Why? If you sent a T23 is would be seen as an escalation and colonial style interference. If you are not intending to start something don’t raise the stakes, by all means have SSNs / CSG in your back pocket if someone else starts something, but this isn’t about the...

The description is too detailed to be a mistake. Possibly, although the Mk41 description on the T31 page where it lists every weapon ever fitted to Mk41 had the whiff of AI assistance. The questions re: 1) Where do the (presumably) 12 ExLS launchers go? Do they replace the 24 mushrooms amidships or...

And now for those who think that 32 Vls is enough we now are seeing in urgency a air bridge of A400M to deliver Aster-15 missiles to restores the missiles numbers on the ship example the French Fremm below . https://x.com/top_force/status/1738950800917889496?s=20 The French FREMMs like Languedoc on...

A sensible and appropriate defence diplomacy move. or more to the point all we have got we really need to get on and upgrade the RB2's fast I think a River is perfect for this - it’s showing intent but cannot be argued to raise tensions. Proliferation of UAVs is definitely a concern, as are fast bo...

any BMD requirement would also be passed off to allies. That definitely cannot be allowed to happen. Well there are no apparent moves to buy SM3 or be involved with the European Twister\Hydis\Hydef programmes. https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/dsei-2023/2023/09/sea-viper-evolves-to-add-asbm-capa...

Repulse wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 19:24

tomuk wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023, 19:15 any BMD requirement would also be passed off to allies.

That definitely cannot be allowed to happen.

Well there are no apparent moves to buy SM3 or be involved with the European Twister\Hydis\Hydef programmes.

So there is no similarity between the concept of a simplified dedicated AAW ship and a simple dedicate ASW ship? It's not about the ship, it's about the operational concept. Alone in the Atlantic is a very different place to the center of a carrier group. I'm not sure what your saying. In the 'orig...

Not sure about how a 4000t ship could replace a T 45 ...would that mean we have ship with a huge son of Sampson radar on it & basic self defence CIWS + a few CAMM, but with less electrical power & conected up to a few multi role T26 with lots of Aster 30 long range missiles & mk41 ? No ...

I think the truth is in the middle we need to try and get the new destroyers down to a crew of 120 or so from the T-45's 190+ The Channel 5 2018 programme “Warship Life at Sea” on HMS Duncan in the Black Sea mentioned crew of approx. 300 if memory not wrong? The Iver Huitfeldt class run on crew of ...

The whole FADS nonsense with low\no crew magazine or radar ships is just T23 sonar Tugs all over again. T26 will already have an automated magazine. Both gun types on the T31 will have an automated magazine. The carriers have an automated munitions system. The T23 torpedo system is automated. No no...

The whole FADS nonsense with low\no crew magazine or radar ships is just T23 sonar Tugs all over again. It's not. The old T23 frigate conops was for a squadron of simple independent ships out in the Atlantic optimised for sub hunting. After The Royal Navy took lots of missiles hits in the Falklands...

It lists a bunch of weapons the Royal Navy doesn't use, so it goes hurt its credibility a bit. As we have not seen a FMS for more MK41's yet, I wonder if the type 31 does get them if they will use some of the type 26 orders and back fill them later. The only weapon listed that could be of any use t...

Procurement history has shown that trying to introduce state-of-the-art technologies en masse into a new complex warship may deliver an exquisite, expensive platform affordable only in small numbers. “What we’re going to do with FADS is not just introduce everything to be brand new at once,” he sai...

Very interesting. As RN website sometimes does mistake, if my memory works, we need further confirmation. But, anyway, interesting info. Oh yes, all of this is probably as unreliable as it gets, with the website having so many flaws it was incredible. An interesting development but Gabrielli's thre...

Digger gets the prize for the closest guess. Stealth and hangover from an hangar-less design are incorrect. From the Type 23 architects: The air weapons magazine is sited forward of the hangar on 1 Deck to avoid the cost of a weapons lift. The arrangement has also allowed for the torpedo tubes to b...

Heck we haven't even fitted the 45s with CEC. Really do not understand why this isn’t a priority - it was part of argument by the Labour government why six T45s was ok. Thales Nederland going as far to say Collaborative Engagement Capabilities (CEC) is the future of Naval Warfare for them. CEC is a...

I thought the Superstructure Breaks in T23 were in response to how fire spread through Aluminium Superstructure. In effect fire Breaks. These were the First class designed post Falklands, and included Lessons learnt, Including the retention of Main Gun. I stand to be corrected but T23 doesn't have ...

In the future, I would want to see a common ASRAAM & CAMM, maybe even CAMM-ER. One common missile. Add in much bigger production to build up big stocks and used multi-purposely, CAMM will still live with the next generation of missiles that replace aster . I suspect that the different launch re...

This might be a daft question....but I'll ask it anyway. T23's have 3 seperate superstructures. The forward superstructure with the bridge, the midships superstructure with funnels and the stern superstructure with the hangar. I can understand the need for the gap between the bridge and midships su...

I would not disagree I mentioned doing something very similar over a year ago. I had 4 in Gibraltar, 3 in the uk and 3 at BIOT. I wouldn’t use Oman as I believe if we are investing in long term infrastructure it should be in uk overseas territory that is sovereign. It’s then not at the whims of for...

As T31 is new, its mechanical availability will be high, and "all double crewing" for 4-5 years will be doable. The T31 's better availability isn't just down to the fact that it is new, maintainability ie space was designed into the ship from the start unlike T23 which is of a more tradi...

Yes so stop wasting it on opvs we don’t need. We aren’t buying a patrol frigate we are buying a general purpose warship That sounds good but the reality is different. The T31 as announced is far from GP. The entire subsurface domain is off limits beyond self protection. Nothing beyond 12 CAMM has e...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑17 Dec 2023, 00:28 ...with potential.

Yes a lot more potential then any River Class Batch 1, 1.5, 2 or 3.

"ASC Shipbuilding (a BAE Systems Australia company) has contracted GEIE EUROTORP for the installation of the MU90 Torpedo Launch System (TLS) on board the first batch of three Hunter class frigates for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN)." https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/12/eurotorp...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67731853 Danish shipping company Maersk has said it is pausing all journeys through the Red Sea. The decision comes after a spate of attacks on vessels launched from a part of Yemen controlled by the Houthis - an Iran-backed rebel movement. The recent at...