Fantasy button on SDSR 2021 my way forward Army Warrior program stopped best 250 hulls given a cheaper hull and power pack refit Ajax drop order to 250 units Boxer add 500 to the 528 on order with 250 fitted with 40mm turret , 110 fitted with 155 mm gun , the remaining 140 split into support types t...

However for me there is no getting away from the idea that the 5" gun is on the wrong ship the Type 26 by its numbers will be stuck with the Carriers and CASD. And the idea that we will send a single type 26 or two to do NGFS is madness

Jensy wrote:It's going to be a long autumn....

How right you are . However as you say no clue as we have only had single figure ASW frigates for years now but it will be all good Cummings will order HMG to fit a VDS to T-31 and say we have a full fleet of world class ASW frigate

Here is a new idea for the SDSR all MP's first born have to do 3 years conscription in the forces that will focus there minds

I have to say that for me 80 would be a good number and I agree they should end up under the FAA. I also agree that the RAF should focus on Typhoon , Tempest and something like Taranis with a view to having 8 manned Sqn's and 6 UAV strike Sqn's. I feel if we ended up with 80 F-35b under the FAA they...

tomuk wrote:

Tempest414 wrote:As the first keel hasn't been laid yet they could still raft the rear two engines the ship could make up to 24 knots on two motors

The engines are rafted for shock protection.

Should or could this help with noise reduction at given speeds engine settings

As the first keel hasn't been laid yet they could still raft the rear two engines the ship could make up to 24 knots on two motors

https://live.staticflickr.com/2601/3699524050_ec483aea97_c.jpg The front of Hermes' ramp has a streamlined rounded wing-edge look about it. Was it designed that way to generate aerodynamic uplift for Sea Harriers? Or to reduce drag (slowing the ship) from a simpler slab-fronted QE style ramp? I als...

Very sad but was always going to happen one day however she did well to stay a creditable asset for the best part of 60 years and a war vet to boot

Jensy wrote:If however this is a cunning plan to reduce type 31, or even worse Type 26 numbers, then we have a problem.

It wouldn't be type 31 they are ordered there are two questions how many do they wont and when do they wont them. if they wont 3 and they wont the first ship in 2023 no problem

The majority here thought the Babcock's design to be superior. Why would the RN be any different? And I am one who thinks it was the best of the bunch and thinks it has a lot to offer as I have said time and time again with its size range radar and CMS it is really close to being a good GP frigate....

J. Tattersall wrote:Errr no, I don't agree. I don't see any evidence that it's a miss match, i'd agree it's a compromise to a greater our lesser degree, but so is everything.

I would agree compromise would have been a better word to use

shark bait wrote:Because it was clearly the best of the three options they had?

Was it ? or was it the best option that was not a BAE option. Now as I have said I like it and if it had what I have said above fitted I would even more

This is why we talk about Mission Bays etc. The T31s are ordered, and whilst I do not like them, it would waste money to cancel them - we should make them useful. I think we can all agree that Type 31 as it stands is a miss match and it would help if the RN came out and said why they had chosen it ...

Firstly great pic I do love that paint job on the Halifax class . Next I have to say these mushroom tubes seem to be doing no one other than the Treasury's any good they are taking up to much room they could get 9 EXLS cells in the same space allowing for 36 CAMM

As I said we all want more but as Type 26 is to get 24 Mk-41 and 48 CAMM and type 26 will be replacing the 8 T-23 ASW I think the RN should get 10 sets of NSM to be fitted on the Type 45 and Type 31 giving both classes a OTH anti-ship / Land attack capability and given the 200 million pounds set out...

The thing for me here is there is a lot of people beating up Type 31 for its boat bays or for not having a mission bay but the only escort ship being built or designed now that has a mission bay is Type 26 and it sub classes. The three things that should be pick up on is the lack of Sonar the low nu...

They have a good fleet coming together of 10 Frigates and 10 Corvettes

The original Venator 90 would be ideal. But I don't think it would be a good idea to throw HMS Scott in the mix. Very different platform and really needs a dedicated, larger, replacement. May be right about HMS Scott however I just think with unmanned kit getting bigger a 100 ship is needed and the...

More likely a Type 31 Batch 2 then a Type 32

The MCM/Survey ships should be replaced by cheap PSV-based civilian hulls that can carry/ support off-board systems (containerised or other) of any flavour. but as I keep saying a 100 meter Verari is just a PSV with the kit needed to carry out the Task and to carry out the task of MCM and Survey it...

I was trying to avoid fantasy fleets, as the point I am making is the type of radical restructure/refocus required to free up money for the enlarged defence requirements (cyber and space), and also the impact (and cost) of unmanned systems. My view is that the RN needs to retain a serious manned gl...

So you are saying that you would reduce T45 x 1? No if I haven't given it a task it goes in the all other tasks group. For me the important thing is that the carrier groups and the LSG go to sea as a group and undertake maintenance and leave as a group. As for the remaining 1 T-45 , 3 T-26 , 4 T-31...

An aircraft carrier is a major capital ship as well as target a small country should not commit a major proportion of resources for its acquisition and deployment if there are other means of achieving objective with less risk , certainly, both the U.S and China have a current anti-satellite system ...

RunningStrong wrote:

SW1 wrote: Highlights also how little slack there is within the air transport fleets

Does it? Seems like a good exercise in using contract An124 which has twice the payload of a C17. Perhaps if we had C5 it would make sense...

There was a C-130 and A400 as well as the An 124 taking part