Donald Do fincantieri not have two escort yards at Muggiano and Riva Trigoso? What about the yards in Germany. Good point. I understand they ALSO to merchant vessels build there? I'm not clear on Germany but the Fincantieri merchant yards in the Genoa area nearby to Muggiano and Riva Trigoso as wel...

It is not the job of the MOD to keep specific institutions employed. While the MOD should aim to keep a strong productive domestic industry, it should not be by directly managing suppliers, but rather a consistent commitment to buy British kit. The budget is for RN, not for the shipyard. Most of th...

as we know right now type 31 costs 268 million per ship without the Mk-41's I and this is just my thinking I think T-31 with Mk-41 will be about 340 million A 27% increase in price to fit a few Mk41 VLS? And to improve CMS to install its software, additional front-end electronics boxes needed to ha...

Tempest414 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 22:41 as we know right now type 31 costs 268 million per ship without the Mk-41's I and this is just my thinking I think T-31 with Mk-41 will be about 340 million

A 27% increase in price to fit a few Mk41 VLS?

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 20:53 Pretty strongly worded but if these reports change nothing then is there really any point in publishing it apart from stating the obvious?

https://committees.parliament.uk/public ... 0/default/

They don't change anything.

... 2) Nope. You have misread what I said. It is still 1 hull a year, a reasonable timetable, But instead of what you thing I meant of combatants for 12.5 years and small hulls for 12.5, alternating between yards, I mean alternating between types for each year. I made the point that workers will no...

"You seem to be confusing two different things here moving to an open systems approach is about how the CMS is implemented, COTS hardware and commercial software languages and standards etc, not whether it is is integrated or not." Not really. Isn't it more about what that leads to, inclu...

https://www.ap-group.co.uk/news/a-p-tyne-and-cammell-laird-delivering-units-for-type-26-anti-submarine-vessels For those of you not wanting to follow the link. A&P Tyne have produced lower units for HMS Belfast which have already been delivered andd Cammell Laird will be producing similar for S...

It doesn't help when the donor design itself wasn't mature or finalised. Not relevant due to the required changes. If it was mature you just need more rework. Plus you potentially gain other advantages as the extra Australian requirements can feed into the base design. The Constellation class will ...

It doesn't help when the donor design itself wasn't mature or finalised. Not relevant due to the required changes. If it was mature you just need more rework. Plus you potentially gain other advantages as the extra Australian requirements can feed into the base design. The Constellation class will ...

One thing to note is, T31's 40mm gun is replacing the 30mm guns on T23/45/26s. So, it is the main weapon for "every day use". In other words, cheapness of ammo is more important. Exactly so this should ensure the likelihood of sovereign ammo production should increase greatly. There are p...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/type-32-frigates-set-for-2030s-service-confirms-mod/ T31B2 is the only way if. My personal choice would be something like the Crossover 139 and continue the build to replace the T31s at mid life to sell them to the likes of Chillie and Brazil to replace their T22s an...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/type-32-frigates-set-for-2030s-service-confirms-mod/ T31B2 is the only way if. Was it ever going to be anything other than T31 Batch 2? As the then 1SL said they were going to propose T31 B2 but didn't think that was sexy enough pitch so sexed up the dossier with a f...

It doesn't help when the donor design itself wasn't mature or finalised. Not relevant due to the required changes. If it was mature you just need more rework. Plus you potentially gain other advantages as the extra Australian requirements can feed into the base design. The Constellation class will ...

It doesn't help when the donor design itself wasn't mature or finalised. Not relevant due to the required changes. If it was mature you just need more rework. Plus you potentially gain other advantages as the extra Australian requirements can feed into the base design. The Constellation class will ...

https://twitter.com/redunley/status/1700009303120417048?s=20 Was wondering when this was going to happen, hence why the ALP wanted a mini DSR for the RAN could only ever be bad news Labour has never been a friend of the ADF Seems more like a case of BAE not performing. Five/six years after selectio...

Jensy wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 17:08

new guy wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 16:20 Maybe next generation.

We may well get some indication of what that next-gen will look like next week!

We need something to put in the Mk41s being fitted to the T26 and in theory T31. They are looking a bit empty at the moment.

There is a think called the open market, in-which for the Bofors 40mm exists many countries, many nato countries, and the US. As does CT40. There are 3 factories that produce it. Where is the third factory? CTA is made in the UK and France. As CTA say As Design Authority, CTA International grants p...

new guy wrote: ↑03 Sep 2023, 19:44 Gabriele Molinelli picks a wonderful, wonderful time to make this thread.

The key bit is that the government must stick to the plan a maintain the drumbeat otherwise two yards are pointless.
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Always thought the Thales sonars were made UK! My bad. We order through Ultra Defence, hence the name 2087 and all of that? do they have a UK production and maintenance line? Thales do the towed array Ultra supply the Hull mounted sonar why do we still order through ultra for the TAS again? Who kno...

new guy wrote: ↑02 Sep 2023, 10:34

GarethDavies1 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2023, 09:29 Always thought the Thales sonars were made UK! My bad.

We order through Ultra Defence, hence the name 2087 and all of that? do they have a UK production and maintenance line?

Thales do the towed array
Ultra supply the Hull mounted sonar

Liverpool looks like hoping to concentrate on modification and maintenance work, easier share, after they made big big deficit from RN SD Attenborough. So, it might be more a rival of A&P Falmouth. But, as H&W Belfast does not have enough work force, may be Liverpool Cammel Laird can also j...

Is that not a miss representation of the what’s happening with the mcm capabilities. It is no longer about a ships but has been containerised and based on unmanned craft so that it can operate from any ship or from shore. As @newguy says - no. Even if we did have the number of kits ordered that are...

The purpose of CAMM on T45 is rep. of aster 15, which capability wise CAMM is likely to match. this means double the amount of aster 30, which will be far more capable than any CAMM-MR for targets such as ballistic missiles. The planned, long-range, high altitude Block 2 seems to have gone entirely...

Good documents to understand what has been done with improving Merlin HC4 capability with the test onboard HMS Albion. Looks reasonable, and promising. As stated in the last paragraph, the increased capability may impact also the ASW Merlin HM2. Merlin is a large and expensive to operate asset. The...