Mind you if the original FREMM programme was taken into account with the Horizon workshare it came out about right. I think both France and Italy were to purchase twelve each, plus the four Horizons. Weren't the La Fayette's also supposed to receive Sylver VLS as well at one point. Anyhoo we ended ...

So the only good ones left that stuck to programs and teams are us ? The UK has definitely had its share of abandoning programmes. But, certainly in recent years, has a habit of bouncing out of them for very good reasons (TRIGAT, Horizon), at a very early stage or when the programme can continue wi...

So the only good ones left that stuck to programs and teams are us ?

EDit: P.s. today a French online newspaper wrote (probably invented) that there are some italian congresspersons that after the AUKUS want to leave the Tempest in solidarity to the french....

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/08/05/news/tempest_l_italia_stanzia_due_miliardi_per_il_nuovo_supercaccia-313024435/?ref=RHTP-BH-I304495303-P2-S7-T1 Tempest, l'Italia stanzia due miliardi per il nuovo supercaccia di Gianluca Di Feo L’impegno è stato formalizzato dal Documento Programmatico Pl...

I think we will see also the CDG together during the exercises?

Seeing the 3 of them will be... Interesting

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... uxbndlbing

Australia will spend $10billion on re-fitting its six submarines

But can Erdogan wait to see how things pan out of will he try to push things along and possibly make the whole situation worse. The race for natural Gas and oil is already dragging countries like Italy, Greece, Egypt and Israeli into competition in a very small piece of Sea and all are rapidly incr...

seaspear wrote:Is this shell capable of being used successfully against ballistic missiles

Vulcano isnt AA.
The AA round from Oto is the Dart, here you can see it in action (5km range)


The problem is that Vulcano is 127mm
Dart that is the guided AA round is 76mm.

In their FY2022 budget USN has cancelled all future funding for the development of the Gun Launched Guided Projectile, formally the High Velocity Projectile, it had been envisaged a 5" variant would be developed for the USN BAE Inc MK45 5"/62 main gun as fitted to the T26 with is new auto...

OK then the Bundeswehr's Federal Office for Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support [BAAINBw] Musn't have received the memo that the EMBT is as good as the FCAS THis from french Media http://www.opex360.com/2021/06/06/aviation-de-combat-deux-rapports-de-la-defense-allemande-denoncen...

IMHO FCAS will become reality , at least I hope for the Germans. Germans knew from the beginning what was the nature of FCAS and other military joint project with the french. They are kickbacks in exchange of French cooperation on a political level. It is way cheaper for the Germans to pay for the F...

Careful those are two different Avio. GKN swallowed up the majority of Volvo Aero and it's facilities in Sweden. Avio might be a shadow of its former self, with most of their civilian products taken over by GE, but they still have some very unique experience with the ESA's Ariane space programme, wh...

Sorry but I dont understand something. I do realize that the Baltics are really undefendable but they are still an obstacle. Is Sweden still a frontline country? Being in the EU its foreign politics can still be the same as in the past? I do understand the need for Low-High mix but i would develop t...

In the EF topic there was a discussion on the size and it was mentioned on how both Italy and Sweden don't need a big plane. IMHO considering that Yugoslavia is no more and probably sooner or later Serbia is going to enter NATO, i would say we need something more sea oriented, long distance, two sea...

About the money coming from Bruxell-Frankfurt First from the economic side but going OT, Berlin University paper puts the monetary effect on german export growth at 12-25%. Considering that in 2018 the size of their economy dedicated to international trade was 1trillion it puts the numbers from 120 ...

Dont know if I'm writing something stupid but what about one assembly line with workers rotation, from the different companies/countries such that assembly know how won't get monopolized by one country.

Scimitar54 wrote:Very nice, but I think I would prefer one of these

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:It ... w_view.jpg

Not enough AA guns



Not going to make the same mistake twice.

Look when i go to sleep i dream of Atlantas

Look at that sexy amount of dual purpouse guns.

I will believe it when I see it an Italian ship without a glorious 76mm

Just in case I'm more an outsider than a "fan" (i got interested in the defense thanks to its procurement). So i could get things wrong. From the start it was decided to divide the B in two MMI and AM. (I dont agree but that was the decision, for me they should have went all to the navy) P...

Just in case what we think we are going to get at the price of 1bn each is this

Some news that have just arrived:
CDP (State owned biggest investment bank) has approved a 500mln loan to Egypt for 2 ships.
https://www.ilsole24ore.com/radiocor/nR ... 7_53437806

P.s. you are comparing a 600mln ship delivered on time as planned (thus the low cost) to a 1bln one. If for example we consider chinese demographics as a parameter for their window of opportunity for a conflict, the australians Types are completely out of schedule to be useful. I think it is pretty ...

We have space for 32VLS but we use only 16(for now), and use the space for the crew.

No, Haftar didnt agree with ceasefire even in front if Putin. The problem as people is writing on our Italian forum is that Libya is a tribal system, for the tribes / militias the civil war is an "investment" (8 years long one). Thus Haftar cannot go back to his supporters without a "...