If i remember correctly it was part of the St. Nazaire deal.

their ideas in design taken into account Not what yours official said, quoting The German and French defense ministries then responded in April, offering Madrid the opportunity to observe the fledgling program as it took shape, but without the ability to shape its initial parameters. No reply had y...

I for one would far more prefer say Italy and Spain as partners for these things, because with them, France can: a) have the leading role and b) be sure that you will have no problems with the export. On the other hand, I think that these two countries can pretty much replace Germany as defence par...

Caribbean wrote:The French have the Cassards as well (due to be replaced with FREMM AAW) and the Italians have the Durand de la Penne (for now)

And this will be the substitutes, as posted in the Italian section

All common wealth went T26, do the same it would be the best option for you probably.

It is/was only a rumor, we dont know if they were GP or ASW, heaven forbids if they were ASW! The two versions are https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T6RylbLFuaI/WlXZ6jMB8bI/AAAAAAAALPw/yvyKmJU3AWARAGJ6cXDxaakHsxljlpBmgCLcBGAs/s1600/Bergamini%2BGP%2BFREMM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3xfcON6.jpg Just in case the ...

Nahh it was a push to get the Corvette order from Brasil. 1,5bln for the two FREMMS and the 200 B1 Centauros. First at all, IMHO the price was crazy low, a FREMM costs 600mln, 1,2 bln, 300mln remaining for N° years support, logistics, maintenance, 200b1, training? Second, the brazilians wanted the o...

Der Spiegel article on the embargo.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 53997.html

Xav isnt the correct verb "will"? isnt EPC a common program between us?

EDIT: I mean how much can it change from the Italian version?

IMHO we aren't considering the main stake holder at all. The French program is in poor words a consolation prize by Germans in exchange to the economic hegemony of the continent. So who is the main player we must observe? The german taxpayer. The last time they were asked to save some frenchs, in sp...

It's the best foundation tempest could hope for. Italy's combat air is almost identical to the Brits, including the important carriers (unlike the French), and the Swedes have proven they can work with the Brits on the Grippen, and take a very pragmatic approach to balance cost and capability. And ...

We just need at least one more EU member (to get the EU funds), it would be better if it is also used the F-35, so the Benelux and/or the Danish. The key IMHO is keeping it simple, we have a tech advantage (thanks to the F-35) in respect to the French team, so they have to risk more to get the same ...

I just think market speaks for itself, it doesn't mean that the personal experience is wrong, they are probably correct and still Leonardo and other Italian aerospace companies got their market placement exactly for that cons&pros specially considering that at marketing culture we are probably t...

Understood, yes if i remember correctly the Development Ministry chipped in for 880 for the fleet renovations. 1612. Role 2 support is normally provided at larger unit level, usually of Brigade or larger size, though it may be provided farther forward, depending upon the operational requirements. In...

The price hike there has already been from 844 to 1126 mln. From the initial parlament budget to the Fincantieri Budget. For now the ship is at this stage, no bad news yet. https://upload.forumfree.net/i/ff4031495/48406498_1798684760260470_890411716200890368_n.jpg https://upload.forumfree.net/i/ff40...

1.1 BLN € was the definitive final price for the Trieste...

853mln for Fincantieri
273mln for Leonardo.

Surprised she has only one helicopter or is it one of each? Any body know how many that the Italians are going for ? or did I miss that snippit D'OH

2-101 or SH90 and landing space for V22/CH47

The change in type of unit, from 16 PPA to 7 PPA + 8/10 PPX , is probably due to the change in strategic vision in progress, less focused on the " enlarged Mediterranean " (from the Gulf of Guinea to the Indian Ocean), so PPAs were born, and more focused on the Mediterranean Sea , from wh...

I really hope this is the start of 21st century EAP and onto Anglo Japanese/Italian/whoever 6th generation fighter but recent history has me worried:( come on Gavin prove me wrong - please! What other option do we have? Aren't we in a race with the French(because Germans if they survive the team ar...

IMHO we (because Italy will be surely onboard, probably also Japan and maybe Korea) must play it as safe as possible. We already have the F-35 for the STVOL plus we have all worked on a 5th generation fighter meanwhile the "Continentals" will have to jump from fourth to sixths. With Italy ...

which is the political lecture of the three contenders?

Which do you expect will brings more jobs? The one more exposed to political attack ?

(so we can infer a bit on the winnner)

Thanks

Without the 10years of logistic support (550€) the PPA should cost

Light 430€ (380£)
Light + 480€
Full 530€

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/05/30/we-spent-3-days-on-a-top-ffgx-contender-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ We spent 3 days on a top contender for the Navy’s future frigate. Here’s what you need to know. HTTPS://WWW.ARMYTIMES.COM/RESIZER/-TE7J1R1IKU_XOKD-IPZURMJNUQ=/1200X0/FILTERS:QUALITY(100)...

We know that a decision has been taken from insiders, we just don't know whom yet. (just a lovely situation for insider traiding )

Anti-submarine warfare is a combination of three factors, experts say: self-noise, sonar and helicopters. Plus the economic repercussions..... I have a good feeling :D. The one lacking hull mounted sonar is the F-100 no? If you are going for the Type or the Hobart, having just one heli, i would hav...