That’s just your bias coming out, off it must be this because I like it. If your principally fighting Russia the answer at sea it will largely be our submarines and maritime patrol aircraft in the Atlantic. The Russian submarines beyond there ssbns are largely some modern ssks not ssns. Most of it ...

new guy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 17:19

Jackstar wrote: ↑05 Nov 2023, 22:26 Appledore Shipyard looks to hire 100 new workers.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne ... 00-8883493

Anybody know what the 3 RFA's are?

Aren’t they building parts of the FSSs?

No one else is doing ship based asw the way we are, they’re not all wrong nor is how we are doing it the only way or better, thats your bias. Australia has already scaled back Canada will like do so too when production contracts come to pass. ASW counter is increasing going back underwater The RN s...

It’s a question of priorities: 1- More P8, ideally increase to 16 2- Maximise T31 and build 8 3- More SSN, aim for 12, start asap 4- More T26 only if HMG commits to 3% GDP 5- T32 but not before mid/late 2030s In that order IMO In a perfect world the optimum escort mix is: • 12x AAW Destroyers (T45/...

That’s just your bias coming out, off it must be this because I like it. If your principally fighting Russia the answer at sea it will largely be our submarines and maritime patrol aircraft in the Atlantic. The Russian submarines beyond there ssbns are largely some modern ssks not ssns. Most of it ...

We do have air defence assets and a fully integrated network. There is anti drone stuf, starstreak, camm, and aster. The real question is how much of it are you prepared to say is to be kept to be deployed around the uk or sent overseas or do we need more of it. We have 6 type 45s are we to say 3 w...

On the flip side there are people on this forum who think TAS equipped GP frigates or AAW Destroyers add nothing to the ASW picture which is also wrong. I don't think anyone here thinks a GP frigate with a TAS can be as good as a ASW frigate at one on one ops or even 2 on 1 ops but they can add to ...

Markam wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 13:07 【2024/04/13】 Wake up call that we need to increase defence spending #2342.

Wake up call for a clear strategy and prioritisation - then depending on the gap the money.

On the flip side there are people on this forum who think TAS equipped GP frigates or AAW Destroyers add nothing to the ASW picture which is also wrong. I don't think anyone here thinks a GP frigate with a TAS can be as good as a ASW frigate at one on one ops or even 2 on 1 ops but they can add to ...

new guy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 10:36 4 voyagers where there, and say each can support up to 4 eurofighters then that is 12 on-top of the 4 already there.

I thought it had been more than 4 for a while, closer to 12?

A GP frigate for at least half the price or more can provide a good level of ASW with a TAS and it doesn't need to be modularised. But would your GP frigate actually catch any submarines? If the chances of that are tiny, it's wasted money. There a lots of frigates and destroyers around the world fi...

Good news, but nothing new, isn't it? Batch 1 three ships in 1.5 years drumbeat, and Batch 2 five ships in 1 year drumbeat. First ship delivery to RN on 2025-26 (to be “in service” on 2027), last ship delivery to RN on 2035 (to be “in service” on 2036) is the plan from the beginning…. Possibly not,...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-target-dramatic-reduction-in-frigate-build-time/ We aim to reduce the build duration from the first of class being 96 months to the eighth being 60 months. More than that, we intend to compress the interval between ships from 18 months to 12 Now that’s an opportun...

new guy wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 22:47

tomuk wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 22:45
But as always you're wrong we need five GPs just to stand still. Were you made redundant by Babcock or something because you sure have an axe to grind.

Exactly. T31 just are the minimum, the lowest we can go.

Why is it? What’s the priority - utter nonsense

I am not arguing against your points only that unless the budget rises adding additional T26 will do nothing to address the problems with fleet balance. It’s not a priority if a balanced fleet is the goal. • The cost of 2x T26 would probably procure another 10x P8 at £200m unit. What impact would t...

Yes, 100%. Why? Because they drunk the cool aid that you can have the same effect with cheaper ships ignoring the requirement. The threat to Australia and the region is not going to be solved by GP assets with compromised ASW capabilities. Chinas threat is going to be subsurface and its CBGs. Well ...

A couple of reminders that a good ASW ship isn’t about just adding a modularised TAS.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/i-went- ... b-frigate/

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... -is-quiet/

I think an interesting example of a company type operation by the Royal Marines and type of ship required for it , is the 2002 45 commando company deployment for operation anaconda. Would probably require a CVF, but doable. I would add the operations Paraquet and Highbrow and ones that should be mo...

The only way this has a chance IMO is that this class is the only new one in the 2030s. If the Albions are not to return the replacements are needed now. The luxury of everything being needed a decade away is over for the foreseeable. How much money is going to be pissed away on endless concepts an...

Any illusion that build a new “cheaper” (read compromised) class in a multi-national program and it will be a success is just that, an illusion - albeit sadly one that the Treasury will believe. Are you suggesting the Australians have got it completely wrong with their smaller, more numerous ASW ve...

Tempest414 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 09:23 As the cost of type 26 B2's carries on climbing if we want ASW hunter killers then maybe more SSN's would be better

The cost isn’t climbing - but yes a few (2-3) more T26s and a few more SSNs would be ideal - however believe it or not the crewing issues are easier to solve above water currently.

What interested me was the line about how the "budget is different". Which I'm taking as a very diplomatic and polite way of saying what I speculated above... I must admit I took it as the RN dreaming that their unsecured budget was bigger, only for reality to bite later when it’s too lat...

new guy wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024, 23:51 It's been nearly a month now

The writing has been on the wall since the end of last year

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑19 Dec 2023, 18:54

It’s a fair point, but the last thing we need is another class of ASW frigate I’m not suggesting it’s the best direction of travel but the benefits are clear. • A joint £5bn program with a NATO member to produce 10x next-gen GP Frigates optimised for off-board systems including ASW. • Rosyth is sec...

Well they have but that is also for a submarine fleet renewal and that is expensive and a new air defence system of the patriot variety which isn’t cheap either. That’s a fair point also - just think this is for the BAE to lose and by having another five+ T26s in the North Atlantic is a game changer.