Then I don't see any need for modification. You won't be able to modify it any further than 1 Merlin, no need for the hanger to hold UAV's when they have their own storage area and 2 wildcats in the hanger should be more than suffice for the operations this platform undertakes. Just for clarity. My...

Would you be prepared to lose a Type 26 frigate in a minefield? No I wouldn’t, but this whole conversation is about operating off board systems in high threat environments, not to purposely sail through a minefield. They have to be relatively close and are generally the first ship thru. If you’re n...

Then I don't see any need for modification. You won't be able to modify it any further than 1 Merlin, no need for the hanger to hold UAV's when they have their own storage area and 2 wildcats in the hanger should be more than suffice for the operations this platform undertakes. Just for clarity. My...

I can understand the benefits of an open top design in Afghanistan especially when enemy drones were less of an issue, but do these vehicles actually have a viable use case in Europe? Feels like a contract placed in order to keep a British manufacturer afloat for a few more years. Supacat isn't the...

To be clear both of these ships have working core RFA crews of 24 to which the RN mission crews are added in theory these mission crew can be moved to other ships if and when needed I’ve seen 57 RFA crew documented for Stirling Castle Is that single or double crew figure I think that is the RN spec...

I would like to re-arrange the superstructure a bit fatter and shorter. This will enable second heli-pad at the bow, and make the hangar capable of 2 Merlin (or 1 Merlin + 4-6 UAVs, or 4 Wildcats). a wildcat Helicopter can already takeoff at the Bow, see below. Merlin and Chinook on the back. The h...

I would like to re-arrange the superstructure a bit fatter and shorter. This will enable second heli-pad at the bow, and make the hangar capable of 2 Merlin (or 1 Merlin + 4-6 UAVs, or 4 Wildcats). a wildcat Helicopter can already takeoff at the Bow, see below. Merlin and Chinook on the back. The h...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024, 23:19

new guy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024, 23:15 Don't you start, you can't add 50% width onto a hull.

You don’t need to if you can go from clean sheet to a single hull class for £115m

This is a completely design to one for amphibious operations.

Bummer, I'll have to wait for the 3rd or 4th size up :cry: How much of this is overlapping into the U.K./Dutch Amphib program and the MRSS? Also how have Damen gone from a clean sheet to a single vessel class for less than £115m? Taking the MPSS up to an Enforcer sized beam dimension of 26m or 28m ...

You are probably right, shame as I think there is merit in the design and the direction of this kind of ship for the RN as an affordable realistic flattop. Let’s see how it evolves. No worry, I didn't really put it here as an amphib flattop proposal more to show it. It is still a really cool multi ...

All of the above is unfunded at the moment, so we're all indulging in fantasy fleets.... MHC Block 2 is literally funded for ~3 LSV's which we would get in the near future vs your idea which would get us 1 in the next decade for higher cost and lower operational rates. You are the only one indulgin...

In conclusion it would require an expensive refit of the vessel, one that can't operate both SWEEP and MMCM at the same time, has no growth room and on a hull that has already seen 20 years of service life. A question I would ask instead is why wasn't HMS Enterprise (HMS Echo was let go a few years...

You can't make this stuff up....
The way they wrote this it makes it seem like the requirement is for 5 helicopters

https://media.damen.com/catalogue/defence-and-security/multi-purpose-support-ships/MPSS/multi-purpose-support-ship-7000/product-sheet-mpss-7000.pdf I read 15t helicopter. Also am wondering if the two UAV lifts (7x6m) could be combined to carry something larger to the >1000m2 forward bay below. It w...

Any UxV mothership needs to be substantially self escorting, imo, and that means more than a 40mm/57mm gun as proposed by Aitken of BMT, in his RINA paper of 2018 that someone referenced. Otherwise the 'Channel stand-off' UxV mothership (as defined) needs an escort and you're then into 'Area Stando...

Good choice for an Argus replacement Not really; First depending on what role you put it; Say it be the Aviation Support Ship Role, then it only has tight hanger for 1 Medium helicopter and 1 helipad. So absolutely not. MRSS concept makes a lot more sense. Yes in the ASS+ role (the plus being more ...

Repulse wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024, 17:21 Good choice for an Argus replacement

Not really;
First depending on what role you put it; Say it be the Aviation Support Ship Role, then it only has tight hanger for 1 Medium helicopter and 1 helipad. So absolutely not.

MRSS concept makes a lot more sense.

Very tasty. I wonder if the larger one could operate Sea Guardian STOL as well as the carriers. Thanks new guy, nice spot. No Possible way on earth https://media.damen.com/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto,w_1080/catalogue/defence-and-security/multi-purpose-support-ships/MPSS/multi-purpose-support-ship-90...

I'm sure I've asked before but I have forgotten the answer but why on earth do they wear army camouflage?? Especially at sea. I think that its just the aircrew wearing the camouflage uniforms. But I could be wrong. Yeah but why?? They all Navy dudes and dudesses. Camouflaging in the sea has zero op...

Any UxV mothership needs to be substantially self escorting, imo, and that means more than a 40mm/57mm gun as proposed by Aitken of BMT, in his RINA paper of 2018 that someone referenced. Otherwise the 'Channel stand-off' UxV mothership (as defined) needs an escort and you're then into 'Area Stando...

What rest are you referring to? All US military assets in Europe. If Biden can pull out of Afghanistan, Trump can most definitely, at least partially, pull out of Europe. Euro NATO must start hedging now. Trump was the one who pulled out of Afghanistan, by the time Biden came into office there wasn...

I post this not because I believe it is a MRSS contender, but because it is cool and for those here who love the LHD Idea. Obviously the Enforce LHD concept isn't realistic on the hull Note, it has 1 helipad, both the 7000 tonne and the 9000 tonne version. Not a dozen, as all the rest are about 1/2 ...

In conclusion it would require an expensive refit of the vessel, one that can't operate both SWEEP and MMCM at the same time, has no growth room and on a hull that has already seen 20 years of service life. A question I would ask instead is why wasn't HMS Enterprise (HMS Echo was let go a few years...

Anyone know what the Echo Class crane could handle? Appreciate the A-frame probably isn't up to the task. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/HMS_ECHO_H87.jpg/1920px-HMS_ECHO_H87.jpg Wonder how much life we could have gotten from them if the money (and crew) was there. Thought...

Perhaps you would have preferred for to “sit out” the biggest NATO exercise in years and remain in Portsmouth harbour until such time as her 3 x Phalanx are re-installed? Ark Royal IV, during the Cold War even involved in a collision with a Russian Kotlin Class destroyer, which had crossed under he...