Even if they were perfect partners and the Brexit didn't happen the french made it clear with us. They don't look for partners they only want clients. So the reason for the divided effort is first and mainly french politics (Dassault).

Let's remember that we can break even as planes but also as components. IMHO for this reason is key that the Swedish government understand how important Tempest it is. Because If Tempest is too much for 3/4 of the world a single engine/Griphen with Tempest tech inside would be perfect for past expor...

The reason for tempest is the result of industrial considerations and black boxes. If the cameri facility was in Warton, the F136 in Bristol and the ACURL facility somewhere in waddington I very much doubt that tempest would exist. This is the most important take away IMHO. It is firstly an industr...

Don't like to break up the pleasantry and repartee but... I read the 9 December 2022 statement issued by the UK prime minister's office, part of which I show below: The UK, Italy and Japan will now work intensively to establish the core platform concept and set up the structures needed to deliver t...

But what he writes is true. Germany FCAS expected weight was 38T in a french article a month ago. That alone disproves mrclark303's theory. And about Italian needs, why we went down the Typhoon route and not just kept/bought the F-16? Which 1980s-1990s menace in the Med was too much for the F-16s? ...

But what he writes is true. Germany FCAS expected weight was 38T in a french article a month ago. That alone disproves mrclark303's theory. And about Italian needs, why we went down the Typhoon route and not just kept/bought the F-16? Which 1980s-1990s menace in the Med was too much for the F-16s? O...

No idea, I'm going to bet it is going to be less than UK and Jap, but not lagging too behind. It will depend on how our economy proceed. I will put it in spoiler since it is OT. Italian economy explained in two graphs https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.image...

Please state whom are your possible UK regional Aggressors vs Italian possible aggressors EDIT: You realize that the distance between London and Saint Petersburg is shorter than the distance between Rome and Suez channel just to choose a strategic point of interest... And how can you be sure of Alge...

If I ran the Italian Air force, I would be questioning Tempest involvement, as it will divert needed funding on a duplication of capability..... What we do ignore AMX, M346 and all programs we have to develop a national industry? So It would be a duplication for Italy but not for Japan? Kinda stran...

And if we have to take an example of good procurement I wouldn't choose Australian one like the bar to compare others...

Question, where do we expect to place the Tempest between F-22, F-35 - NGAD, F/A-XX ?

I'm a 1990 kid, so I was too small to see how the F-35 collaboration progressed.

Does the NGAD have more of the F-22 progress or the F-35 one?

Excellent. Big is good. Long range is good. Big, wealthy resource rich countries out there like Australia and Saudi Arabia want long range, top end capability, and they can pay for it. And when the Northern ice cap recedes Canada will have a direct front line with Russia. I hope SAAB gets something...

just in case, relative to the Italian mention few days ago, I'm not sure but I'm 90% confident the MMI ditched the CAMM-ER, the Navy is sticking only to the Sylver launchers and Asters.

new goverment isnt going to be that anti-EU And on Russian here the facts. In Western EU we are the most Anti-Russian https://preview.redd.it/a5lzoouzle791.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7ad10397686d0cc6babae7d6965f8035b0bd7506 And if we commit to something we follow the rules. htt...

How about we just leave them Germans alone full stop ,stick with plan A ,do not under any circumstances get them involved in tempest program ,as I've stated they have absolutely zero nothing useful to offer the program , Even the German money couldn't swing it , You've got a greens / left wing gove...

This is a big what if territory, trying to predict the future like this is pretty useless but fun :D . The vantage we have with the Germans IMHO are the next ones: The big problem with the French is that they asked access to already developed technologies, meanwhile the french answered you will have...

:clap: :clap: :clap: True groundhog day, now Italian industry industry is openly yearning for an opportunity to hitch themselves to FCAS whichever way they can, basically treating Tempest as a means to that end and maybe to retain some RnD capabilities in the meantime. Meanwhile transatlantic media...

We are seeing this on the MGCS afterall. The Germans are way less choosy.
No one knows, maybe in the future they fall out(correct verb?) At that point why not redoing the Eurofighter Consortium enlarged as you wrote

Hilarious. Italy and the UK are literally making contradictory public statements. Where are the articles à la "Tempest future in doubt..." ? You know.. like those around FCAS? Those didn't even have any factual substance, while here we have explicit fundamental disagreement about what the...

European Patrol Corvettes News - Italian Navy Update https://youtu.be/APFN0uwTDjE Can i ask the source for the 4 each for Norway and Denmark? I knew they were only interested or there is already a number out? Some other speculations: A Greek user wrote how Cyprus would be interested in 2-3. No sour...

Because of technological leapfrog strategy from the US.

But if we use ready to use Tech without the need to surpass the chinese by two generations the cost and complexity goes down a lot.

Oh don't worry they aren't even trying. A Naval FCAS is attractive to buy or to participate, or hoping that the two programs merge or find a magical balance but it wont ever remove the benefits and advantages of being in team Tempest.

Again my opinion.(and it is probably just bambling) We adopted the Euro there is no turning back economically, we can go only further. If correct in English you would write a "do or die" situation. So from this point of view a common foreign policy, the push for unification is inevitable. ...

Personal opinion, and I underline this, I'm an ignorant on the topic. I think the big problem will be the attractiveness of a Naval FCAS. When Tempest and FCAS will be out Cavour will be 30+ years old. And a Naval FCAS will be surely superior to the F-35B. The factor we should consider is: -The new ...