No big objection. One thing to point out. Flexible and convertible is OK. But as US Navy's LCS program has shown, a specialized operations needs specialized team and conversion needs time. So, regardless of how flexible the asset be, I guess each asset must have "primary" role, and just ca...

This will make Bulwark a "specialist MCM drone mother ship, which can be converted back into LPD if MCM need is less and landing need is high" (say, rapid deployment to Norway)? This is what I put forward with the Makassar LPD and you no because it has a well dock Yes and no. I am saying,...

The big question to be put forward would be what could an Albion do in these roles that an T31 ( as currently planed ) couldn’t and viceverser Many. - T31 is a low signature (stealth), frigate standard (good damage control) hull with good set of self defense armaments. - Albion is a large (not stea...

First of all, how less the Bulwark can be manned without C&C and reduced damage control, is not clear. I guess, 150 at minimum as a core-crew (only ship handling) ? A ship designed with large manpower cannot be lean manned easily. Even the basic choice of design differs (Bay has a propulsion kit...

No ship has zero maintenance cost allocated or are you saying that we will get 2 FLSS and use the until they break down and then walk off and leave them where they are. No of cause we maintain them. I am just saying the maintenance cost for FLSS is not budgeted, because it is a "one shot"...

Very interesting article on how Wasp class LHD's are being used in a more intensive way. The images alone are worth a look. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27253/u-s-amphibious-assault-ship-in-south-china-sea-with-unprecedentedly-large-load-of-f-35bs Many aren't convinced about the need for a...

Maybe you did not read what I said i.e each UK Makassar MRSS would have a core crew of 80 and a price tag of 70 million pound or 92 million dollars close to 2 time that of a standard Makassar LPD Sorry, but why your UK Makassar MRSS having more equipment than standard Bay can be operated with such ...

How can we handle the crew, 126 each for Makassar-class LPD?

#May be thread is not good. Shall better be at MHC thread?

The redevelopment costs may have blown the wafer thin profit margin but do you really believe that the A140 and Meko A200 can be built in UK for £250m? Many are highly sceptical, including myself. If none of the 3 bidders could have made the £250m target then the budget would have had to be raised ...

Comparison. Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate: (http://nozebra.ipapercms.dk/valcon/OMT1/IverHuitfeldtClass/TheIverHuitfeldtClassMaerskBroker/#/) Length 138.7 m ; Beam 19.8 m; Draft 5.8/6.45 m (design/max); Displacement 6,649 t (max); 4 x MTU 8000 20V M70 diesel engines, 8.2 MW each (4x 8.2MW = 32.8MW tot...

Thanks a lot, NickC-san! - it is Artisan 3D = the 1st export success? - it is (sadly) 12 CAMM with mushroom tubes. - gun is shown as 76mm (but the CG is 57 mm), but with ordinal stealth turret. No DATS rounds. - ASO 713 hull-sonar's radius of 950mm is, as I remember, similar in size to MFS7000 (EDO ...

Even so that is a small, poorly equip corvette built in Brazil, costing more than the ceiling price of a T31. It does not bode well. Sorry, I am a bit confused. The price of Brazilian MEKO A100 corvette, 1.2B GBP for 4 hulls including local build support , is higher than 1.25B GBP for 5 T31e. I thi...

Interesting that Brazil has gone for TKMS MEKO A100 for their new corvette.... https://navaltoday.com/2019/03/29/brazil-selects-germanys-meko-design-for-new-tamandare-corvettes/ Looks like Sea Ceptor, Artisan. Thanks! I'm afraid it is SMART-S Mk2? Not sure. But, doesn't the CAMM silo look like ExLS...

As Repulse also says, if you take the blue water requirement away then sure you can get away with a smaller ship. But I don't want to!! I still see Leander having a war role as a HVU goal keeper. And that means blue water. I'd rather the Leanders be able do that than the QE's (for example) getting ...

I was talking about 4.8-10+B GBP black hole in equipment budget. So for me, reduction in current equipment plan is DEFAULT, What ever the size of the black hole it is across the 10 year plan and it is not black and white And, whatever the color, 5-10% short of money is fact. So, "adopting to t...

But, surely SDSR 2020 will not be so promising. We will be facing cuts. The matter is, at where... Too pessimistic for me Donald I'm afraid. I was talking about 4.8-10+B GBP black hole in equipment budget. So for me, reduction in current equipment plan is DEFAULT, no pessimism. How are we filling t...

Ron5 wrote:"corvette" is too darned frenchie sounding

Interesting. For me, modern corvette was “reborn” when UK built Flower class corvettes, which is even BEFORE a modern Frigate was reborn. Isn’t is has a long and brilliant RN history?

No such man power, nor operation cost. The Trasformation budget is “one shot”. Also, it is for transformation. Then, what is changing? We are losing yet another commando, to become a SF oriented formation? (one “real”, one SF and one fleet protection?). Or we are losing significant fraction of MCMVs...

# From Malaysian thread... Why haven't we looked at the Gowind Corvettes for the T-31e. They Malaysia has bought six fully tooled up platforms for £1.4Bn including BAe 57mm and NSM. That's £235M per ship delivered and with support. Again it seems we are rubbish at this whole procurement thingy. Good...

From T31 NEWS thread.... Simply they deploy to theater in which "even Floreal can easily survive". Yes, the same regions we can expect the Rivers, Bays and LSS to operate in. The RN already has 10 ships for those roles, job done! No. A theater Floreal can survive, a La Fayette can survive,...

If you had a choice a 76mm at c£3m per unit or 57mm gun at c£5m per unit OR a free 4.5 inch main gun plus something else? Depends. If it is Leander, 76/57 mm do not require re-design of forward section, which will make it cheap. Also the arsenal will be very small, and will not carry many shells. I...

But, there are also many figures with 76 mm gun (Leanderfrigate.com), and detailed models with 57 mm gun (at exhibition). I am not saying it is NOT 114mm gun, but I have no evidence yet it is decided to be 114mm. http://51.38.82.119/design/gallery From post of Ron5-san in Dec 2018. DtqdwlZWoAARcM3.j...

Sure, I can understand the reasoning if the intention is to build resilience through numbers, but patrol frigates don't achieve that either. The resilience only materialised if losses can be tolerated, I don't think anyone is putting the T31 in the expendable category. I do not think it is consider...

But, a mexefloat coupled with steel-beach will be enough?

Actually, Bays in Caribbean ocean carries mexefloats, but not LCUs.

Modern escort has grown so high that, the distance between OPV and a frigate is large enough to hold distinct class of warships I think we have created this middle range solely because it is convenient for the budget. Either the region is benign, or it is hostile. The RAF operate Reaper and Typhoon...