Going to go a little off topic here, but I have always been a bit concerned with the Artisan radar when compared to the radars on board the Fremm frigates. So my question is could Artisan be upgraded to a double face system ? and would that even even be necessary. With the advent of the lighter fri...

Going to go a little off topic here, but I have always been a bit concerned with the Artisan radar when compared to the radars on board the Fremm frigates. So my question is could Artisan be upgraded to a double face system ? and would that even even be necessary. With the advent of the lighter fri...

Ha ha. Wish I had read your post, just did the same thing. First perhaps minor point, that's not the T26 schematic. It looks more like the German F125. To get the T26, flip the gas turbine left to right and move to the location of the forward pair of diesel gensets. In turn move those gensets furthe...

I have never understood why the CODEOG system on T26 is cheaper and low risk compared to the IEP of T45. After all isn't the T26 operating what is in effect an IEP system when at low speed, then having to disconnect that system and connect a direct drive system from the gas turbine for high speed. ...

shark bait wrote:highly unlikely, they are completely different systems.

Same pot of money tho

AJAX will not be manufactured in the UK, it will be assembled. Big difference. This is true, but... A lot of the subsystems are coming from the UK. GE IP (UK), Thales (UK), Williams F1, harness manufacturers, Kent Periscopes are all UK suppliers manufacturing in the UK. Also, if you've ever seen in...

Good discussion, although very off-topic. Are we coming back to the light frigate? I see some pessimistic view as well as optimistic ones. It is clear that "what kind of vessel the FLF will be" is yet to be announced (by MOD?). That's why I think 2-3 classes of FLFs can be discussed here....

Remember when we all wanted an F-35 flyover during QE's naming ceremony? We never got it, but might we get one this summer? Up to five F-35s are expected to make it over here in the summer for RIAT and Farnborough. It would be nice to have them fly over Rosyth. When is POW's naming ceremony? As lon...

The only buddy refueling proposal for the F-35 that I have heard of, was a USMC proposal for an internal bay contained reel and drogue. The other two services had no need for buddy refueling. The idea died a long time ago. For the RN, I do hope that those proposing the idea realize that for every K...

JayDee wrote:Hope they show up this time! farnborough is always good anyway living so close i don't have to travel far

Seen them take off and land at Davis-Monthan just up the road from me, they be noisy. Very noisy. You'll hear them a long time before you see anything

the Carriers are great....however without escorts they are not deployable and surface escorts means Frigates and destroyers. To sustain them needs RFA's and if they are acting as pseudo frigates in the west indies or off west africa then a carrier group cannot be sustained. Doesn't matter so much i...

the Carriers are great....however without escorts they are not deployable and surface escorts means Frigates and destroyers. To sustain them needs RFA's and if they are acting as pseudo frigates in the west indies or off west africa then a carrier group cannot be sustained. I hate the word "Af...

Please, this is an Invincible class aircraft carrier thread. This is not the place to discuss other off-topic classes of ships. Please use the other threads: CVA-01 Class Carriers thread: http://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=148 HMS Ark Royal (R09) (1955-1979) thread: http://ukdefence...

Plan? The plan was to build one carrier, anything else was an aspiration or wish. One carrier was nominally ordered (long - lead items only at the time of cancellation). The Royal Navy's East of Suez "single stance" force structure, that the conservative government under Macmillan support...

The only buddy refueling proposal for the F-35 that I have heard of, was a USMC proposal for an internal bay contained reel and drogue. The other two services had no need for buddy refueling. The idea died a long time ago. For the RN, I do hope that those proposing the idea realize that for every KV...

shark bait i do understand how government functions so as soon as it was announced the type 26 was being curtailed and a jam tomorrow solution was announced for some vague date in the future it's fairly obvious what will probably happen. The Navy will make do as ever and be expected to do more with...

the Navy had wanted 4 but that was reduced to 2 by the MoD and then to 1 by the Treasury. Estimated cost 56 million. Speculation was that the Treasury didn't trust the 56 million price tag, hence the restriction to one. Interesting. If 3 gave the availability of 1.5, one would have given the availa...

there needs to be a clear definition of what is meant by FLF ? I suspect its a ruse to cut the frigate fleet to 8 with FLF being delayed and redefined every few years and the only thing we'll see is concept drawings. I agree. We have tried it several times here. I think the consensus is that, "...

No, the Iver Huitfeldt class is vastly inferior to the T26. . And why is that? Also, inferior or not, Denmark has 2 Absalons and 3 Huitfelds ( as planned AFAIK ), while the RN will not get their 13 Type 26... But in the mean time, the RN has 13 Type 23's. And in the mean time, UK is about 12 x larg...

Regarding second tier asw ,obviously effectiveness and credibility are aimed for ,but which second tier asw has been proved to be successful to negate the need for expensive variable depth towed sonars . bow sonars can have difficulty detecting submarines let alone dealing with thermal layers. Exce...

I think your ASW list is rather a cop out. Conveniently none of them require anything of the host except a flying deck and space for a container or two. In other words can be added to FLF with no additional cost. Don't believe it. Credible ASW is rather harder than just adding a yet to be invented ...

there needs to be a clear definition of what is meant by FLF ? I suspect its a ruse to cut the frigate fleet to 8 with FLF being delayed and redefined every few years and the only thing we'll see is concept drawings. I think that will depend on how important it remains to keep the SNP happy. If it ...

Do you have to have bad eye sight to be in the Navy now?

Does the V-22 carry enough off loadable fuel to be a worthwhile F-35 tanker? I think not.

But not really a deal breaker on a 70k ton carrier. Just for the reccord, I do not think we should be putting missile launchers on our carriers (other than the aircraft) So going really light on ASW for your land hugging, land attack FLF would be a big mistake IMO. LCS priority 1 module is for ASW....

You guys are driving me nuts with your multiple quotes and lengthy answers. Can you keep it simpler please.