Movie report on HMS Tamar in Pitcairn Island. Very very nice to see!!! Slowly rolling River B2 OPV, in the tropical blue water... Beautiful.

When will be the T26s and T31s will see IOC? Tricky is the T31's "hand over to RN", which is known to immediately follow the capability improvement period to add CAMM and some sensors/com-suits. 1: It is announced that T26-hull1 will meet IOC on Oct 2028. I understand T26 hull2 will be on ...

Repulse wrote: ↑14 Feb 2024, 11:51...You can add the Red Sea scenario but that requires a T45 not a light frigate.

Why? Aster 15 was used by French navy. Why not CAMM?

Mk41 VLS + ExLS is ordered by some navies, but if we want to mount it on T31-hull1, RN will be the first to do all the verification and certification. This will take time. Without certification, RN cannot fire any CAMM from the VLS. And, before it is enabled, no T31 will be sent to front-line and he...

As far as I'm aware the ANZSC upgrade predates the 2x6 mushrooms. Also the Anzac mushrooms fit in the overall compartment for VLS not just the space for 2x Mk41. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Te_Kaha%27s_Anti-Air_Missile_Armament.jpg/1200px-Te_Kaha%27s_Anti-Air_Missile_A...

"Mk.41 order" The old news on 2018, 4 years ago. only T26B1 Sorry 2018 was 6 years ago of now 2024 (time flies by!!) T26 hull-1 IOC is on Oct 2028, and thus will be delivered to RN on 2026. I do not think T31-hull1 can be 6 years behind this schedule. Note that T26-hull4 (1st T26B2) is pl...

https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/n ... igate.html

The old news on 2018, 4 years ago.

What has the density of the mushroom farm got to do with it? The issue is that a new different variation on the farm is being installed on a new class of ship. his will requiire various integration, trials and testing. Sorry but why we need the new system? The legacy mushroom tube works perfectly f...

"Locating", integrating with CMS, & testing/certification does not require the ship to be in a dockyard. I do not think ExLs will be acquired. I think the existing mushrooms (number to be determined) will remain and the Mk 41 added alongside for use by anti-ship & land attack miss...

My understanding is that CIP is already in the schedule so why do that and then later schedule another docking period for the Mk 41? By that time the ships will be scattered across the globe. Far easier to do it when they're close to home. Because Mk41 VLS is not there yet. Who has ordered it? If F...

What has the density of the mushroom farm got to do with it? The issue is that a new different variation on the farm is being installed on a new class of ship. his will requiire various integration, trials and testing. Sorry but why we need the new system? The legacy mushroom tube works perfectly f...

I understand that but if you're bad at planning, both your A and B plans will be bad :D But it can be easily avoided. Just it. There are two bads, by nature; "inherent/inevitable bad" and "just a matter of choice bad". "A dog cannot fly by his own arm", inevitable bad....

"Locating", integrating with CMS, & testing/certification does not require the ship to be in a dockyard. I do not think ExLs will be acquired. I think the existing mushrooms (number to be determined) will remain and the Mk 41 added alongside for use by anti-ship & land attack miss...

4. Why would the MoD be able to create a good Plan B if it can't create a good Plan A? It is easy. In many big programs, there is in many case a "fall-back plan" to save the day. It is even inherent in Systems Engineering. Just MOD omit that item from there program. Including it is easy (...

Thanks. I am not arguing the point one way or another, just pointing out the options. It’s easy to just ask for more and more of anything but it’s the outcome that is paramount. It comes down to three main points: 1. If extra funding is provided to increase the U.K. ASW capabilities and safeguard c...

Yes the RNZN has opened the door on this so as said at least the first 3 should be given 40 CAMM and NSM However if RN wanted to go a little mad latter down the line they could go for a fitting of 40 CAMM and 16 Mk-41 by removing 20 of the CAMM and replacing with 16 Mk-41 and then removing the forw...

I think it's typical for a warship to have a docking period after initial builder trials have shaken out some bugs & defects. I would imagine the CIP would be done then. 12 months is way too long to add a Mk 41. Maybe a couple of months in parallel to the defect fixing. If just locating a "...

To say the truth, what I feel is…. IMO the U.K. must be absolutely sure that only 8x T26 is enough before shifting attention to the T83. Now that the price has stabilised around £900m it’s completely transparent as to what additional hulls would cost. Are more T26 genuinely required or should SSN, ...

new guy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2024, 12:02Imagine, being on high alert in the gulf, for some reason you are placed as a gunner next to the VLS, and without warning one fires... I don't think it being cold launch would help much in a scare factor way. Would be great PR though.

Re-locating the 0.5 calibre gun is easy. I think it shall do so.

new guy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2024, 10:55 What Im worried about is the two gunners who are right next to the VLS

No problem, it is "soft" launched!!

More recent renders of the T31 show the 2x3 T26\Albatross NG Mushroom farm which is different to both the T23 Sea Wolf retrofit and the Anzac upgrade. It does not matter. The system on RNZNS is more high density fit-out than what you've shown. Actually, the new 6-cell system, which I think is just ...

Which RN (or even another navy's) ship is in service with the version of the mushroom farm to be fitted to T31? https://www.arrowhead140.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/45169220-Composition-2.jpg https://i2-prod.plymouthherald.co.uk/article3311904.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/1_type.jpg https://i2-prod.ply...

Based on that the T83 needs to have the design finalised in 2028, contracts signed in 2030 and steel cut in 2031/2032. Absolutely no chance of that timescale being accurate unless the T83 is a T26 with Sampson Mk2 plonked on it. Looks like the OPVs will be built in Govan again. To say the truth, wh...

https://www.naval-technology.com/news/type-31-frigates-could-get-mk-41-during-future-capability-insertion-periods/?cf-view What making it complex is, delivery to RN means just "start of Capability Insertion Period (CIP)". It is written so in the following part. ... on 8 February, 2024, off...

new guy wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024, 17:55

donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024, 16:17

Jdam wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024, 16:09 Do we know how many missiles the type 31 will carry when completed?

No.

George in twitter said 24 planned, as I remember. But that is far from official statement.

George?

Allison. UK defense journal.