That's a small patch of water: a circle about 12 miles in radius for CAMM. 12 miles?? I don't think anyone seriously believes Sea Ceptor is only good for 12 miles...Janes have previously said it was good for 60km (37.5 miles). Personally, I think that's a maximum range against a simple target, but ...

Back in Invergordon again for some fuel, and a run ashore...

Digger22 wrote:This whole P8 purchase is a complete and utter waste of money, and if it's just me that doesn't want anymore of the bloody things, then I'm comfortable with that.

What were the other options? Anything else out there, with the exception of the Japanese P-1, were glorified Coast Guard aircraft.

Got to say I think the flight deck guy who just grabs a tie down and hangs on might have the better approach...

ASRAAM not becoming the standard NATO WVR missile is an interesting story. I don't think anyone will ever agree on the reasons. But the feeling within the UK was that the German's bailed for industrial reasons and the US bailed after getting AMRAAM in prime position. Ultimately I think we're lucky ...

I've always taken a viewpoint that it's better to be close to such people. The more sway the UK holds over their imports, the better we can progress things. Agreed. You can exert more pressure when you have a relationship than if you don't (unless you're the US or China). If they go Rafale, well th...

Can't help but see this as a very deliberate move to try and weaken the UK's aerospace industry, given Germany is moving away from working on planes with them in the future. Even though I don't like it, it is a fairly principled stance (ignoring the Turkish subs contract...seems morals have limits)...

@Timmy ignoring the incorrect claim about the US welching on ASRAAM (check your history books), you completely forgot to mention helicopter borne weapons in your list. I didn't forget to mention helicopter carried munitions. See the point about Apache E. We don't know what it will be carrying yet, ...

I think it is pretty obvious the T26 is better considering 10years of advancement and a price 66% higher. I do like the FREMM. It's a good programme, delivering a very capable ship. Although the T26 will take a long, long time to be completed in comparison, the design and concept of operations actu...

HAs Germany stopped selling military equipment, including spares to Turkey after the things they have gotten up to in the last few years, not just as a result of operations in northern Syria Yes, its not a total ban, just on kit that can be used in Syria....which conveniently means they can carry o...

I thought the D's were for the F-35 only, would love to read were you got that from? Always wanted the Tranche 1 to get the D but I didn't know it had been confirmed. Speculation to a degree, but without the D the Tranche 1's will be left without a BVR missile until their OSD of 2030ish when the C-...

Scimitar54 wrote:There is no Heavy RAS rig on Fort Victoria either!

Indeed but there is the aspiration to get them on the one day to be ordered FSS (possibly...)

Apart from Meteor which may be deployed on the carrier which are the differences in weapons loadouts between the U.S.M.C and R.N aircraft as I understand only block 4 aircraft can field Meteor will the aircraft to be deployed be such ? The question should be phrased more as 'what are the similariti...

The thing is how much better is FREMM over Type 23 and how much better will Type 26 be over FREMM we know type 23 is still one the top ASW platforms around. In real terms we are about 7 years out of step we should have the first Type 26 in the water now. This being said you are right Italy and Fran...

Would the US send a stores ship to RAS with QE/POW to supply weapons when their F35's are onboard ? along with a destroyer? That may be one of the options. Probably the most likely though is loading at a friendly port, as apart from the aircraft they will also need to load US personnel, spares, mai...

.. potentially to demonstrate the flexibility of the automated weapons delivery system, in the light of future co-operation? The HMWS won't matter that much. It moves pallets, and doesn't particularly care what is on them (as long as the weight and dimensions fit and is programmed into the system)....

How much of each inventory will be able to be use by the other? We use ASRAAM for example, they with use AIM-9X, we have Paveway IV they have SDB, the list goes on. Are each contingent even able to use the others? All have obviously been cleared for the F-35B, so does it only need a software patch ...

Just saw this on Twitter - main article behind a paywall. If there’s any substance to this, then it is hard to see how the RN would recover in terms of effectiveness & prestige. I certainly won’t relish the RN playing second fiddle to the Marine Nationale Had a read of it and it doesn't seem to...

I’m still holding out hope that cuts don’t hold with the Brexit global Britain power house message. Plus I don’t trust any reporting from the MSM. Agreed. I think the political optics of selling a QE Class would be awful for Boris so I suspect they're safe. I don't think Cummings is as smart or as ...

I thought the talk of hypersonic was around missiles to be developed for use on tempest no the plane itself. IMO if tempest could hit Mach 3 odd while keeping good movability and decent range and payload would be an out come Some idiot at the Daily Mail has seen Tempest, seen the Rolls Royce work o...

Ron5 wrote:It's by Lockheed so definitely not free to buy or maintain!!

That is true. But I bet the LM product manager for ExLS is thanking their lucky stars that MBDA and Sea Ceptor rolled into town, otherwise they'd be sitting on a massive flop at present (despite the idea being fundamentally sound).

Why would you want to fit a ship with both CAMM and ESSM (block 2)? They are functionally the same missile. ESSM Blk.2 will have greater range than standard Sea Ceptor. Obviously CAMM-ER will be competitive with ESSM Blk.2, but the Canadian's will be running their upgraded Halifax for quite a few y...

Little J wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... 00mph.html
To go with the above...

It's up there with the 5 inch gun....

Except ExLs doesn't fit ESSM so that will always be filled with CAMM. (in answer to calculus) ExLS at present is a pure Sea Ceptor launch system. Some graphics showing other load outs are so dated they actually include NLOS...the most recent include RAM Blk.2, Nulka and Hellfire/JAGM. But none have...

Some possible good news, hard to see how this squares with the coming SDSR and MFTS fiasco though....