Saudi Arabia want in on the ground floor with this new technology, they see an opportunity to divest themselves of foreign engineers and do things largely in house with their own people. Thats what they want, we make a lower offer as I proposed. Let see until which point they want to pay. At certai...

Nothing forces us to give the Saudi the same level of cooperation we main members have. We can do like for the F-35 tier cooperation where Italy was second tier. We greatly benefited from doing simple wings and specially the maintenance with the number of adopters in Europe increasing. We could give...

Are we really really taking Australian procurement like an example? Are you sure? Looks pretty sweet to me Meriv, you won't see any RAAF pilots complaining! The only bad buys are are the piss poor European Helicopters they are divesting themselves of... And Spanish LHD ships with Engine problems An...

Are we really really taking Australian procurement like an example?

Are you sure?

Guys put yourself in our shoes(Italians) when you read about radar development(thus Edinburgh if I'm not wrong right?) and capital destined to that branch (like the 25% Hensdolt buy)

Everyone gets somethings.

But Geopolitics and Money talk, reason why regardless of the deep cultural connection with the Greek, they bought French ships not Italians.

(I mean after equipment perfomance)

Considering how we (Italians) bought Vard and kept it going, transforming the production to cruise luxury lines, taking in the financial losses (we also closed shipyards to be fair), injecting new capital.

Buying UK would be pretty bad.

While still giving 10mln to study "if we go alone" plan.

Ah oh the French are the best in Europe for marketing, obviously they will be able to sell it to anyone.

But sustain alone a 6th generation fighter that isn't a simple RafaleXL?

I don't believe so. It is too much for a single country.

The french, in poor words dassault need the germans only for the financial side. If they start believing (and some of them do) that exports of a 100% french 6th generation fighter can support the cost of developing the fighter they would ditch the Germans not even in seconds, in milliseconds. After ...

For now India is just buying the Rafale-M
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 58326.html

Filling French treasury and giving them the (wrong) idea that they can go alone.

LOL not at all. I classify Australian procurement as bad as Canadian one. It is scary taking lessons from those two, the only next step would be coping Indian procurement. Obviously unless you like to pay useless fines for breaches of contracts. And not just now. I really hope you don't take the Col...

The big challenge is making a sale off the shelf and not getting them involved in the development. Also, the antagonistic relations that exist between Italy-India and Sweden-India are a big drag on the hopes of making such a sale. It would have been ideal if this was just a clean development betwee...

TSR2 is the Uk version of Canadian Avro C-105 Drama?

I hope BAE and Leonardo in particular take the opportunity to integrate as much as possible on this. The combined strengths would make a formidable competitor. In my perfect world there one day be a comprehensive Anglo Italy JV company covering all air platforms.- Tempest, Helicopters, M346 - 50/50...

Meriv9 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2022, 20:40
Rambling talking and guessing? I think it will end 35% Uk+ 30% Jap + 25% ITA + 10 SWE (or someone in place of them)

Almost there i wasnt expecting Uk and Japan at the same level and Sweden out

They asked also a second LDP if not wrong.

And see the other side of the medal. How do you think we feel on Leonardo Radars?

Ok it is scary and it has so much variables. Lets see how this plays. This can end amazingly well or terrible bad. It was already complex with first Japanese interaction, but the Saudis? Lets see... If the FCAS had on its side German financial if we can make it work with the Saudis we are literally ...

And the chinese. We are going towards a multipolar world. We could get a good hold in South America. Between Italians and Swedish in Brasil and your historic influence on the Chilean. Lets remember that in 20 years from now their economies will have grown substantially. But the objective isn't beati...

Turkey is part of the game in the middle east Turks vs Arabs vs Persians(Iran) They are still Sunni vs Shia vs Sionism. Etc.. etc.. So buying from them is buying from a competitor and it is way less safe than buying from an European that is more "independent" in respect of their games. I t...

The Japanese did the same with us. It started bilateral with UK then bilaterals with Italy then it joined GCAP, signing with Sweden looks like just the next step. Let's remember it's first time Japan is taking part in a program like this, probably this is their modus operandi?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ighter-jet

Germans are showing muscles (financial)