So the problem reside in the work relationship between us Europeans and the Asians.

Then the answer IMHO is Singapore. They have the skill both to manage us westerns and them.

Being Singapore quite small we could assign it the specific job to "make it work" between UK/ITA and KOR/JAP.

I wouldn't say thin. It has passed 30 years from TF start the world economy has changed. Europeans economies like polish or spanish ones have become more relevant. We have the swedish But mostly I would try with the asians. Korea, Japan and Singapore. It would be nice to write South Africa, Brasil, ...

Going back the the RAF next manned platfrom, BAe is far more integrated in the USA than europe and possibly BREXIT will exacerbate this. Whilst a european UCAV is likely to have a UK contribution, isn't more likely that we will continue to follow the US considering we are more in sync with their ti...

Just curious who are the mandarins?

Because by how it is right now, Turkey and its neo-ottoman stance is a great risk to us.
Also we have to see how it ends the S-400 vs F-35 situation.

(At least for us italians)

Yes the best option is UK/Jap/Ita , since it is obvious the French and German program isn't a collaboration at all, they want to lead it, and more than a collaboration it is just them splitting up the market, the fighter to the french and the drones to the germans. With France running the future fig...

eagle spotters wrote: Regarding the cost aspects, I remember that the Italian Navy does not have a nuclear deterrent (SSN, SSBN or CV) and this is a lower cost that helps to strengthen the conventional fleet.

Plus new ships are way cheaper to operate than older ones allowing an increased capital investment

Not clear. - Danish ship is build basically on commercial standard, with some enhancements. T26 is not. And, anyhow, I am not saying 7 years is good. French FREMM is taking 5 year from laid-down to commission. T26 is "planned" to take 10 years. Not good. I guess it is just reflecting the ...

Wow 450mln for the Tide class? Are they built in commercial standards like the Ocean? Do you plan to do the same for the FSS? Because the 1bln looks tight for 3 ships. Just for reference ,since in your requirements you look for a bigger ship, this is what we are getting for 350€ (4 for the french 2 ...

Actually I just imagined the French and Italian shipyards building an Astute and a Queen Elizabeth carrier and concluded neither wouldn't be able to build either in less time or at lower cost than the UK shipyards. Probably correct on the Astute since we don't have experience, but i cant speak for ...

We paid our ones at 800€ but i remember a discussion on a forum where the estimate for the Fremm was also 800$ in confront of the 1200$ of the F-100.

But the difference looks too big imho. At the same time we have the canadian program where we offered our ship at half the price of the program cost.

If i remember correctly around 700-800mln? Surely Gabriele or Eagle spotters have the right number.

Plus in that utopia it would mean winning hands down the Australian, canadian and USN programs meaning probably another significant discount thanks to scale economy.

https://www.defensenews.com/interviews/2018/03/06/interview-fincantieri-ceo-on-unifying-europes-splintered-naval-industry/ Interview: Fincantieri CEO on unifying Europe’s splintered naval industry https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/6XZu-yOOieRxKJ4fIdAVORPSzGU=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerf...

Deeper in German Naval Yard Kiel or other companies?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-military-ships/germany-excludes-thyssenkrupp-consortium-from-warship-tender-idUSKCN1GD5VA BERLIN/DUESSELDORF (Reuters) - The German military has excluded a consortium of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Luerssen from bidding for a contract to build a new mul...

About political relationship Quatar has bough from us its fleet for 4 billions.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf ... SKBN1AI1VS

You (if you are Brit/Spa/Aus) just did it

As i wrote in the previous page full design transfer even before being awarded the commission

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/frigate-french-designer-1.4432705 And we (NG+Fincantieri) are out. :wave: It was a parting shot because CBC News has learned the French and Italian consortium did not submit a formal bid by the Nov. 30 deadline to make its FREMM-class frigates Canada's new surface war...

CSC - Rumors that there were only four bidders LM Canada/BAES with the 6,900T Type 26, large Canadian content, CAE, L3, MDA and Ultra Electronics Navantia with updated 7,400T EOL F105 based on their bid for Australian SEA 5000 including the Saab CMS 9LV and CEA radar as mandated by Australia. Alion...

http://nationalpost.com/news/french-italian-consortium-offers-canada-a-deal-on-a-new-fleet-of-frigates-that-could-save-32-billion OTTAWA — In a surprise twist in Canada’s shipbuilding saga, a foreign consortium is offering the country a way to build a fleet of warships at a guaranteed price of $30 b...

Sorry but the article on the Sydney Morning Helard isnt it a bit..... to biased to say the least? Look at the article history of the journalist, she writes mainly about internal politics both australian and Uk, from the nothing she writes about SEA5000? Invited by Navantia to visit Spain? I mean cha...

May i ask, even if it is a light OT, if your shipbuilding industry has a civilian side as we have with Fincantieri, Stx or Meyer? Or are you like the spanish with Navantia?

How much is the difference in operational cost between a QEC and the will be LHD. Since regardless of the gap you would still have the QE how much is the true cost of the gap? Is it significant?

Any guesses?

By fitting R3 medical facilities to two enhanced Bay class ships you solve these problems. Such a ship would also be much larger (and more stable) than a dedicated R3 ship. The new Trieste in Italy will have quite extensive facilities fitted. I guess it is that size argument, plus the fact that the...

Defiance 100% agree on what you wrote, as you said we have different scenarios. Now what i just want to understand is the cost comparison are going to cost around 3-3,2£ bilions around what you paid for the QE no? No. And did you include the tranches the other Ministries paid towards the Cavour, Emp...