P.s. the argument or military intervention from a China attack doesn't work simple because the US would intervene not because of a few planes sold but because of a strategic need of defending Japan. Or do you really believe it would loose its beachhead on the Asian continent?

The right way is showing immediate benefits now IMHO.

Italy buys P1, Japan buys something from us directly or from you and you end the triangle buying something from us.

Considering their connection to Russians? Not their industry track record ?

I think you guys are making this too complicated
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I must specify Im 29 years old and this is the first meme of my life

ArmChairCivvy wrote:PESCO (now)+ Defence Fund (building up) = a cookie jar... another one (paid in by all; funds withdrawn by ' the few')

Wondering if the cookie jar concept will push the sells. When Netherlands&Co will see that they are regardless paying for FCAS&Tempest how will they react?

Then how are we going to achieve production numbers without multinational bun fights? It is a high-risk high reward because if the bun fight (thanks for teaching me a new word :D ) goes right we got the snowball effect of "mass" production no? I think this time is going to be even worse (b...

Just one post before I wrote that we shouldn't focus on Pesco funds, but that doesn't mean they arent important. PESCO funds are an irrelevance. 500m EUR spread across every defence project going is going to mean next to bugger all for combat air, and what little there is will get siphoned off by F...

Just one post before I wrote that we shouldn't focus on Pesco funds, but that doesn't mean they arent important.

Never heard of the pesco funds personally and I'm sure it not in the team tempest front and center goal ,think they manage without it tbh and I would behave thought the EU wouldn't want UK getting it after leaving it even indirectly If for now they are "negligible" https://thedefensepost....

Exactly I think we shouldnt focus on Pesco funds, in worst case we can get someone like Slovenia inside as Jfoulke wrote. Plus there is a high chance that you would be included in Pesco, Mogherini said that outsiders would be evaluated case by case and I don't think the continent wants to distance i...

A hard choice that for Poland ,it's a political at the end of the day ,stay with france/Germany euro project or go with the naughty British brexitters and upset the French / Germans ,I can't call it tbh both got their merrits for Poland . suppose its just how much the EU machine leans on Poland not...

Don't we have an advantage for Benelux/Poland/Norway since they all adopted the F-35?

Lets hope everything goes right with the announcement.

But on our forum we are discussing about timing, our calendars would coincide perfectly if not by the gap of the Tornado-F35A, what are UK projects about that?

I don't think that they are kidding anyone. Their problems are well publicised. I guess the root cause is the german voters, they have a different view of the world to others in Europe. 80 years ago, Germany was militaristic and that was bad... Now Germany is peaceful, that’s bad... Because it goes...

Plus hasn't the strategic situation of Sweden changed? Being in the EU with the Baltics,Polish,Finnish, etc... Etc... Doesn't it mean that they arent a "frontline" nation anymore? Yes in the worse scenario the Baltics will fall in days but it wont be the same cold war scenario, where Swede...

Amazing how pricey a FREMM actually is, even after 15-20 have been built, to a less than cutting edge design. Goes a long way to explain the success of the T26 with Australia and Canada. Jensy the 20% was calculated against French FREMM a 10% lighter & less capable than the italian version. Dou...

Consider that we operate in the Med it means wherever you are you are "close" to the shore, so unless we escort every single ship we need a lot of self defense since we are "constantly" under risk (be it sea denial by air strikes or shore missile batteries).

Put it toghether with the italian share and that if the turkish orders gets cancelled we don't know where the engine facility will end. We got at least a significant amount of tech and know how that the french dont have.

Tempest has the tech advantage What tech advantage? The French are building jet's that's as good as Typhoon, and a Drone that has more flight hours than Taranis. A Dassult led consortium has access to very similar tech to a BAE led consortium. We both at least have put hands on a fifth generation l...

I think it is realizing that Tempest has the tech advantage and less organizational problems (D/E options). IMHO we can't avoid having two different fighters, not to compete against the US on international markets but because probably we are going to have a rationalization of EU aerospace industry, ...

5k ? Even after the extermination of Sirte and Benghazi hotbeds?

I imagined that there were still some pockets of them, but nothing significant.

I tried to look for an headcount in english sources but i found nothing.

So the narrative that we had has been the next -first: Sarkozy tried to hide that Ghedaffi payed a part of his last political race https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Libyan_financing_in_the_2007_French_presidential_election second: Ghedaffi wanted to create a new pan african coin, thus creating...

Because it is our sphere of influence, and Italian wealth is correlated to the Mediterranean situation, our armed forces are designed for this zone, thus i thought the right topic would be this one. IMHO Why they can't split is showed in this maps https://external-preview.redd.it/h0UgMyU19k_gCnkZjNG...

Guys since you are third party ( and you had a true reason to go after Ghedaffi, Lockerbie, unlikely the french IMHO) what are your thoughts about whats happening in Libya.

Whats are your opinions on French support of Haftar? On the inactivity of the Italians?

For the VR under Higher G a solution would have been the internal cockpit of the concept P 125 with the pilot laying. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vectorthrust/images/b/bc/P_125_r1p.png/revision/latest?cb=20131230005725 https://forum.keypublishing.com/filedata/fetch?id=3728821&d=143161263...