While still giving 10mln to study "if we go alone" plan.

Ah oh the French are the best in Europe for marketing, obviously they will be able to sell it to anyone.

But sustain alone a 6th generation fighter that isn't a simple RafaleXL?

I don't believe so. It is too much for a single country.

The french, in poor words dassault need the germans only for the financial side. If they start believing (and some of them do) that exports of a 100% french 6th generation fighter can support the cost of developing the fighter they would ditch the Germans not even in seconds, in milliseconds. After ...

For now India is just buying the Rafale-M
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 58326.html

Filling French treasury and giving them the (wrong) idea that they can go alone.

LOL not at all. I classify Australian procurement as bad as Canadian one. It is scary taking lessons from those two, the only next step would be coping Indian procurement. Obviously unless you like to pay useless fines for breaches of contracts. And not just now. I really hope you don't take the Col...

The big challenge is making a sale off the shelf and not getting them involved in the development. Also, the antagonistic relations that exist between Italy-India and Sweden-India are a big drag on the hopes of making such a sale. It would have been ideal if this was just a clean development betwee...

TSR2 is the Uk version of Canadian Avro C-105 Drama?

I hope BAE and Leonardo in particular take the opportunity to integrate as much as possible on this. The combined strengths would make a formidable competitor. In my perfect world there one day be a comprehensive Anglo Italy JV company covering all air platforms.- Tempest, Helicopters, M346 - 50/50...

Meriv9 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2022, 20:40
Rambling talking and guessing? I think it will end 35% Uk+ 30% Jap + 25% ITA + 10 SWE (or someone in place of them)

Almost there i wasnt expecting Uk and Japan at the same level and Sweden out

They asked also a second LDP if not wrong.

And see the other side of the medal. How do you think we feel on Leonardo Radars?

Ok it is scary and it has so much variables. Lets see how this plays. This can end amazingly well or terrible bad. It was already complex with first Japanese interaction, but the Saudis? Lets see... If the FCAS had on its side German financial if we can make it work with the Saudis we are literally ...

And the chinese. We are going towards a multipolar world. We could get a good hold in South America. Between Italians and Swedish in Brasil and your historic influence on the Chilean. Lets remember that in 20 years from now their economies will have grown substantially. But the objective isn't beati...

Turkey is part of the game in the middle east Turks vs Arabs vs Persians(Iran) They are still Sunni vs Shia vs Sionism. Etc.. etc.. So buying from them is buying from a competitor and it is way less safe than buying from an European that is more "independent" in respect of their games. I t...

The Japanese did the same with us. It started bilateral with UK then bilaterals with Italy then it joined GCAP, signing with Sweden looks like just the next step. Let's remember it's first time Japan is taking part in a program like this, probably this is their modus operandi?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ighter-jet

Germans are showing muscles (financial)

Even if they were perfect partners and the Brexit didn't happen the french made it clear with us. They don't look for partners they only want clients. So the reason for the divided effort is first and mainly french politics (Dassault).

Let's remember that we can break even as planes but also as components. IMHO for this reason is key that the Swedish government understand how important Tempest it is. Because If Tempest is too much for 3/4 of the world a single engine/Griphen with Tempest tech inside would be perfect for past expor...

The reason for tempest is the result of industrial considerations and black boxes. If the cameri facility was in Warton, the F136 in Bristol and the ACURL facility somewhere in waddington I very much doubt that tempest would exist. This is the most important take away IMHO. It is firstly an industr...

Don't like to break up the pleasantry and repartee but... I read the 9 December 2022 statement issued by the UK prime minister's office, part of which I show below: The UK, Italy and Japan will now work intensively to establish the core platform concept and set up the structures needed to deliver t...

But what he writes is true. Germany FCAS expected weight was 38T in a french article a month ago. That alone disproves mrclark303's theory. And about Italian needs, why we went down the Typhoon route and not just kept/bought the F-16? Which 1980s-1990s menace in the Med was too much for the F-16s? ...

But what he writes is true. Germany FCAS expected weight was 38T in a french article a month ago. That alone disproves mrclark303's theory. And about Italian needs, why we went down the Typhoon route and not just kept/bought the F-16? Which 1980s-1990s menace in the Med was too much for the F-16s? O...

No idea, I'm going to bet it is going to be less than UK and Jap, but not lagging too behind. It will depend on how our economy proceed. I will put it in spoiler since it is OT. Italian economy explained in two graphs https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.image...