Pfftts the way to sell the Tempest to Australia is calling it the heir of the F-111 considering the size of that the Tempest is going to have.

Let the nostalgia do its work.

It's like for us Italians, slap a 76mm on anything and we are going to buy it

If V-280 is the long term goal, shouldn't we be hearing about tie ups with UK companies by now? More Chinooks? Do we really need any more? To make V-280 more expensive!? I would have thought if UK was looking for a tilt rotor, and an expensive one, we'd be looking at AW609. The AW609 is older gener...

We can more than compete. We are way better placed than Korea and Japan. This is Mitsubishi trying to enter the cruise sector. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavm7CausyA 2 years of delay and 2 bln wasted, they dropped out of the competition. Check how many cruisers of 100k ton we build in Europe pe...

The doubts on the ECR version isnt if it is possibile, but at which cost. I really dont see the German Taxpayer accepting to pay more money for the ECR version when the F-35 is cheaper. Adding that if you try to play the card of "national industry" they can pull out the card of "then ...

We don't need a big country, we need a figuratively one.

The Czech could be an option, since they had soviet Aerospace industry.

Like the Swedish they don't need to buy, just chip in, in order to be called European.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/swe ... n-in-2031/

We need to find another EU to access EU funding on equal foot as the FCAS

Probably RHM and Leonardo are the two most European companies out there in the defense sector.

I think on that we can agree, if the conflict with the Dassault will make the FCAS crash, because Airbus want to be treated equally than Dassault, there would be even less chances of them becoming simple customers of the GCAP. The thing is 1. National 5th gen development based on the Typhoon 2. More...

Some articles from the French forum https://meta-defense.fr/it/2023/11/04/errori_industria_della_difesa_europea/ (I think it autotranslates to the readers language) https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/11/03/german-air-chief-urges-haste-in-fielding-strike-utility-drones/ Gerhartz said he a...

On the need of Germany of a plane like GCAP lets remember that they were asking a way heavier plane than what the french needs (since they are restricted by carrier take off weight). Even if they don't have the sea we Italians, UK and Japanese have they are still a second line country by now and thu...

Poor swedish they are contended by everyone.

Does anyone know why on French forum they keep mentioning the Swedish as team member?

I haahvent read anything at all on them being on SCAF team

you forgot to place the Italian FREMM Fleet with the A-50

Everyone that could order a 6th generation is in the team making process. As by now hypothesis since they keep changing Germany <- Korea -> UAE as the latest news ( UK + ITA + JAP ) <- KSA France -> India (this is my hypothesis and all starting from SCAF not going very far) NGAD+ Israel since the KS...

then we need to find another EU partner for EU funds.

If the Germans go with the Koreans and the SCAF is no more we could get Spain inside Tempest.

Merging (or acquiring) Indra System making Leonardo a true Electronics continental player (ITA+UK+ GER with Hensoldt + SPA with Indra)

I think that was the role of Sweden, giving equal grounds as the FCAS to EU funds. So their lacking of partecipation even just nominally is bad. I'm still holding out hope for Swedish participation, especially since the Gvmt has announced a 28%!!! increase in defence spending for next year to 2.1% ...

I suspect there will be a few "pots" involved in the funding. The Italians are good at this - getting their aid budget to pay for some of their amphibs. I think that was the role of Sweden, giving equal grounds as the FCAS to EU funds. So their lacking of partecipation even just nominally...

I hope, as an Italian, that the saudis get in ASAP. Why? We have two productions factors in action, Know how and capital, we lack capital, while the Saudis bring in only capital, increasing the value of everyone's know how but specially of the italian one comparatively because we are the ones lackin...

Not the deep state?

P.s. and in a OT way we also benefit from a tech development of Saudi Arabia. Lets remember how Nasser secularism triggered a Wahhabism reaction in the country. A Theocracy can work in an undeveloped economy, it won't survive the development of an industrial base (and thus more power to the lower cl...

Saudi Arabia want in on the ground floor with this new technology, they see an opportunity to divest themselves of foreign engineers and do things largely in house with their own people. Thats what they want, we make a lower offer as I proposed. Let see until which point they want to pay. At certai...

Nothing forces us to give the Saudi the same level of cooperation we main members have. We can do like for the F-35 tier cooperation where Italy was second tier. We greatly benefited from doing simple wings and specially the maintenance with the number of adopters in Europe increasing. We could give...

Are we really really taking Australian procurement like an example? Are you sure? Looks pretty sweet to me Meriv, you won't see any RAAF pilots complaining! The only bad buys are are the piss poor European Helicopters they are divesting themselves of... And Spanish LHD ships with Engine problems An...

Are we really really taking Australian procurement like an example?

Are you sure?

Guys put yourself in our shoes(Italians) when you read about radar development(thus Edinburgh if I'm not wrong right?) and capital destined to that branch (like the 25% Hensdolt buy)

Everyone gets somethings.