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by Pongoglo
15 Jul 2019, 17:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Yep, agree with Shark Bait. We need a "cheap" ASW only escort Yep, and I agree with Shark Bait too, but that's not what he said. I quote; "There is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from missiles, and there is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from submarines. We ha...
by Pongoglo
11 Jul 2019, 14:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 682
Views: 50910
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

As a side the image of Grace 1 shows an Echo class was this used as a jump off point for the RM boarding of Grace 1 I was in Malta at the end of May and Echo was in Valletta, we chatted with some of the crew in 'The Pub' (where Oliver Reed met his demise) and they had FOST onboard , who funny ol th...
by Pongoglo
10 Jul 2019, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276186
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

[/quote] If I read it literary, it is answering the question clearly. RN is NOT requiring CAMM to be carried on T31e. It is only "if possible" = "better be with". So, T31e is a - naval frigate standard hull ship, with good endurance and range, with CMS and 3D radar, - with a &quo...
by Pongoglo
02 Jun 2019, 12:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2204
Views: 103824
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:
One benefit of the merlin size is that all hangers in the RN have been designed for that large size giving us a good set of dimensions to work with in.


Not if we go for Leander they won't !
by Pongoglo
27 May 2019, 18:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

On the Phalanx CIWS, I have no objection to you. My point is, Arrowhead team not mentioning it is, I guess , it is up to RN = NOT included in their proposal which is restricted for 1.25B GBP. "Please do it outside our control", may be? I'm afraid it is just "how we read it", rat...
by Pongoglo
26 May 2019, 14:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276186
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I won't bother rising to that but why - quiet a few on here have been proposing a 130 metre Leander based design and just because that doesn't happen to be your view doesn't mean it isn't worthy of debate. Actually the results come out at almost exactly the same dimensions as the current Type 23 whi...
by Pongoglo
25 May 2019, 14:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276186
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Broad Beamed Leander anyone? :mrgreen: Just done the maths on this , given that the Leander design is based purely on CAD as opposed to Arrowhead 140 which is an actual ship logic would suggest is that all they would need to do is take the existing CAD and multiply everything by 1.2. This would giv...
by Pongoglo
24 May 2019, 17:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276186
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Good spot .Having looked closely at the video they demonstrate three different options for the main armament, 5 inch , 76 mm and 57 mm. Perhaps more interestingly however the two secondary gun systems would appear to be BAE Systems 40 mm lightweight mounts rather than the 35 mm millennium mounts (al...
by Pongoglo
20 May 2019, 12:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We disagree, and probably always will between a larger hi-low mix and a hi-mid-low mix, my view is clear the budgets do not support multiple class types. And is better to have more T26s + River Sloops than a new class of T31s. Your point on the River design and supporting services being a success i...
by Pongoglo
19 May 2019, 20:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If the Royal Navy went for the three cell stand alone ExLS launcher as a start, it could open up a lot of options going forward. Its installation would bring benefits to both the T-26 and T-31e, with the former being able to carry all 48 Sea Ceptor amidships freeing up room up front for additional ...
by Pongoglo
05 May 2019, 13:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 648
Views: 41301
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

Agincourt was quiet controversial too - but I love it me ! :D
by Pongoglo
03 May 2019, 12:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1456
Views: 85130
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

As 56 are required by each Regiment for a total of 112 that would leave just 36 for training and sustainment. So no 3rd Regiment, at best the Yeomanry will provide a limited battle causality replacement capability. It is hardly a surprise though given the announcement some time ago that the number ...
by Pongoglo
03 May 2019, 11:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Excuse my ignorance but presumably QEC have a BAE based CMS ?
by Pongoglo
02 May 2019, 11:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 574
Views: 41481
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Now that Gavin Williamson is 'demised' do we think that is the end of the FLSS?
by Pongoglo
24 Apr 2019, 14:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

By the way, canisters from T23 will NOT be used in T31e. Second Sea Load clearly states (in the answer to Engaging Strategy-san's question on twitter) that equipments transferred from T23 to T31 will be very limited. I also thin even Mk.8 4.5inch gun cannot be transferred. The two 30 mm canons, &qu...
by Pongoglo
22 Apr 2019, 09:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 59
Views: 5854
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

https://twitter.com/US_Stratcom/status/974664616767905792?s=20 HMS Raider (P275) of the Faslane Patrol Boat Squardron (FPBS) escorts USS Maryland. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaxC2PV4AApOn4?format=jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaxC2QVQAUIsIM?format=jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaz2mwUQAEIQ7...
by Pongoglo
22 Apr 2019, 09:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Repulse wrote:We know the £1.25bn is in the budget, so it’s as “real money” as it gets - an enlarged B2 River with a T26 style mission bay would be affordable and capable of doing the global forward based/flag flying that the T31 seems to be pitched for.


Haven't you just described Leander ?
by Pongoglo
19 Apr 2019, 16:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 213084
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

(may be re-rolling of RM 43 commando is helping RN man-power a little?). It helps not a bit, all it does is free up the PIDS ie relieve the budget a tad. The reality is that the manpower shortage is down to the fact that despite a bloody good recruiting campaign, like the other services ( and in th...
by Pongoglo
19 Apr 2019, 16:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10020
Views: 668111
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

It's also more than a remote possibility that it could be QE or PoW :oops:
by Pongoglo
19 Apr 2019, 16:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

personally don’t see the T31 as an answer to this question as their primary role is stated as freeing up the T45s/T26s for CSG duties. Aren't you contradicting yourself? Sailing a T31 (or two :) ) closer to the shoreline for NGFS would maintain the freedom of manoeuvre - well away :!: - for the res...
by Pongoglo
18 Apr 2019, 11:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

T31e is a cost cutting program of T23 replacement; cutting ASW (very expensive) and even cutting NGFS (rarely used) to make it cheap. Rarely used? NGFS or NGS as it is referred to by the RN has been used in action by the RN (and Commonwealth) surface fleet more than any other capability in pretty m...
by Pongoglo
15 Apr 2019, 10:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9791
Views: 415607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

(It's Niels Juel by the way.) thanks ... Also interesting that Niels Juel reportedly sailed with a complement of 160. That's 60 more than Babcocks core 100 figure for Arrowhead 140. Similarly, T45 is reportedly carrying 200-220 although its official number is 191. I think these real number is more ...
by Pongoglo
13 Apr 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36442
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

An interesting overview of the recent trail with Mounts Bay. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27215/u-s-navy-turned-a-british-amphibious-ship-into-a-mine-clearing-sea-base-packed-with-drone-tech Great article and really showcases the huge flexibility of the Bays , Amphib Ops, HADR, Counter Nar...
by Pongoglo
06 Apr 2019, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2765
Views: 140874
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Pop gun . :clap:
by Pongoglo
05 Apr 2019, 18:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5941
Views: 276186
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Looks like Babcock are serious about putting TACTICOS into the RN version of Arrowhead as well as the export boats ? Their building a new support center in Plymouth too;

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/l ... rt-2683577

The image shows Leander however !

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