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by Pongoglo
30 Sep 2019, 17:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 174
Views: 10580
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

40mm stopping power out to 9 km In the trials (as for LMM) extending out to 6 km was mentioned - so the reach is also different (both much better than the 30 mm, obviously) Think 40mm 9 km range would be optimistic, my understanding the effective range of the Bofors 40 in the AA role will be ~ one ...
by Pongoglo
30 Sep 2019, 16:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

A bit more info on Appledore - from the comments doesn’t look T31 related. https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2019-09-27/hope-on-the-horizon-for-north-devon-s-appledore-shipyard/ Great news but what are they going to build? I'd like to see them build BMT Venari, of course there's the money thing....
by Pongoglo
21 Aug 2019, 16:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 287721
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

UKDJ have just run an article on the T26 and a possible evolution path, even includes quite a nice graphic as to what an AAW variant could look like, as below; https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-type-4x-destroyer-an-early-look-at-an-early-concept/ Tried to attach the image but it says that the 'boa...
by Pongoglo
21 Aug 2019, 15:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

UKDJ have published a graphic of what an AAW variant of the T26 might look like, although even they admit its ' our terrible interpretation '. Actually IMHO it doesn't look that bad!

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-typ ... y-concept/
by Pongoglo
21 Aug 2019, 15:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 66397
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

It all depends on when and where the ARG is operating. If in support of NATO then the Dutch amphibious Platforms and Marines become integral with it, providing between four and five helicopter spots and the ability to carry twice that number in helicopters up to the size of the Merlin. Yup,and the ...
by Pongoglo
07 Aug 2019, 10:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389262
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Did Harland and Wolff not also form part of the Babcock bid ?
by Pongoglo
21 Jul 2019, 14:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Its clear now to everyone that the cuts since 2010 have gone too far. Although this mini crisis is embarrassing for the UK, it's great news for RN and those pushing for a larger fleet. It's also interesting that the US isn't unilaterally providing security for international shipping in the area, in...
by Pongoglo
15 Jul 2019, 17:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Yep, agree with Shark Bait. We need a "cheap" ASW only escort Yep, and I agree with Shark Bait too, but that's not what he said. I quote; "There is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from missiles, and there is no drone that can protect a moving carrier from submarines. We ha...
by Pongoglo
11 Jul 2019, 14:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 73243
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

As a side the image of Grace 1 shows an Echo class was this used as a jump off point for the RM boarding of Grace 1 I was in Malta at the end of May and Echo was in Valletta, we chatted with some of the crew in 'The Pub' (where Oliver Reed met his demise) and they had FOST onboard , who funny ol th...
by Pongoglo
10 Jul 2019, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389262
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

[/quote] If I read it literary, it is answering the question clearly. RN is NOT requiring CAMM to be carried on T31e. It is only "if possible" = "better be with". So, T31e is a - naval frigate standard hull ship, with good endurance and range, with CMS and 3D radar, - with a &quo...
by Pongoglo
02 Jun 2019, 12:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2367
Views: 153416
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:
One benefit of the merlin size is that all hangers in the RN have been designed for that large size giving us a good set of dimensions to work with in.


Not if we go for Leander they won't !
by Pongoglo
27 May 2019, 18:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

On the Phalanx CIWS, I have no objection to you. My point is, Arrowhead team not mentioning it is, I guess , it is up to RN = NOT included in their proposal which is restricted for 1.25B GBP. "Please do it outside our control", may be? I'm afraid it is just "how we read it", rat...
by Pongoglo
26 May 2019, 14:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389262
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I won't bother rising to that but why - quiet a few on here have been proposing a 130 metre Leander based design and just because that doesn't happen to be your view doesn't mean it isn't worthy of debate. Actually the results come out at almost exactly the same dimensions as the current Type 23 whi...
by Pongoglo
25 May 2019, 14:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389262
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Broad Beamed Leander anyone? :mrgreen: Just done the maths on this , given that the Leander design is based purely on CAD as opposed to Arrowhead 140 which is an actual ship logic would suggest is that all they would need to do is take the existing CAD and multiply everything by 1.2. This would giv...
by Pongoglo
24 May 2019, 17:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389262
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Good spot .Having looked closely at the video they demonstrate three different options for the main armament, 5 inch , 76 mm and 57 mm. Perhaps more interestingly however the two secondary gun systems would appear to be BAE Systems 40 mm lightweight mounts rather than the 35 mm millennium mounts (al...
by Pongoglo
20 May 2019, 12:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We disagree, and probably always will between a larger hi-low mix and a hi-mid-low mix, my view is clear the budgets do not support multiple class types. And is better to have more T26s + River Sloops than a new class of T31s. Your point on the River design and supporting services being a success i...
by Pongoglo
19 May 2019, 20:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If the Royal Navy went for the three cell stand alone ExLS launcher as a start, it could open up a lot of options going forward. Its installation would bring benefits to both the T-26 and T-31e, with the former being able to carry all 48 Sea Ceptor amidships freeing up room up front for additional ...
by Pongoglo
05 May 2019, 13:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 651
Views: 54820
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

Agincourt was quiet controversial too - but I love it me ! :D
by Pongoglo
03 May 2019, 12:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1478
Views: 114974
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

As 56 are required by each Regiment for a total of 112 that would leave just 36 for training and sustainment. So no 3rd Regiment, at best the Yeomanry will provide a limited battle causality replacement capability. It is hardly a surprise though given the announcement some time ago that the number ...
by Pongoglo
03 May 2019, 11:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Excuse my ignorance but presumably QEC have a BAE based CMS ?
by Pongoglo
02 May 2019, 11:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 66397
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Now that Gavin Williamson is 'demised' do we think that is the end of the FLSS?
by Pongoglo
24 Apr 2019, 14:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

By the way, canisters from T23 will NOT be used in T31e. Second Sea Load clearly states (in the answer to Engaging Strategy-san's question on twitter) that equipments transferred from T23 to T31 will be very limited. I also thin even Mk.8 4.5inch gun cannot be transferred. The two 30 mm canons, &qu...
by Pongoglo
22 Apr 2019, 09:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 60
Views: 9342
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

https://twitter.com/US_Stratcom/status/974664616767905792?s=20 HMS Raider (P275) of the Faslane Patrol Boat Squardron (FPBS) escorts USS Maryland. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaxC2PV4AApOn4?format=jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaxC2QVQAUIsIM?format=jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYaz2mwUQAEIQ7...
by Pongoglo
22 Apr 2019, 09:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613977
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Repulse wrote:We know the £1.25bn is in the budget, so it’s as “real money” as it gets - an enlarged B2 River with a T26 style mission bay would be affordable and capable of doing the global forward based/flag flying that the T31 seems to be pitched for.


Haven't you just described Leander ?
by Pongoglo
19 Apr 2019, 16:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 287721
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

(may be re-rolling of RM 43 commando is helping RN man-power a little?). It helps not a bit, all it does is free up the PIDS ie relieve the budget a tad. The reality is that the manpower shortage is down to the fact that despite a bloody good recruiting campaign, like the other services ( and in th...

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