Could you help define the role more? Constabulary? RM roles? Overlap with OPV? one the comment of landing ship, this reminds me of something. The french have an idea for 4 Light Force Projection Ships: During the 2023 parliamentary review of the 2024-30 LPM, several amendments were adopted to add a...

As always a lot will depend on the requirements, some of which are still be validated as part of the RN POD experimentation and FCF exercises. Also, kit such as UUVs are still in their infancy. However we already have the Sea Class, so I’m thinking primarily in the 40-80m range (like Patrick Blacke...

Inshore Patrol Ships New role you invision the navy needing? I think we are talking Archer Class replacement. Personally I would like to see the URNU task taken over by 15 or 18m SEA-class vessels with training modules (or perhaps even 20m RhIBs, as used by the Border Force) and a larger inshore pa...

4 years in, is there any info relating to the likely size and performance of any resulting airframe? Japan and UK need a design with long range. What sort of top speed: mach 2 / less than mach 2? Will the engine be an adaptive one to achieve a very good range? What level of electrical power will th...

Repulse wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 13:02 Inshore Patrol Ships

New role you invision the navy needing?

…costs are unlikely to be flat… In which case one of the three yards will go bust. The drumbeat works both ways, money in, ships out. You can make it as complicated as you want but in the simplest terms, if you don’t feed the shipbuilding industry there will very quickly be no industry to feed. Com...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023, 09:49 Good news - everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -election/

Can you please Copy and paste article contents please.

I do find it quite extraordinary to see a British capital ship such as HMS Prince of Wales cross the Atlantic and sail into a US port virtually unable to defend itself against attack. As far as I know she deployed with no fighter aircraft on board. Furthermore she is, I believe, the only modern air...

Babcock's Type 31 & Arrowhead 140 Frigates at DSEI 2023 Jonathan Walton, VP Business Development - Marine, shares the latest with the Royal Navy Type 31 and Arrowhead 140 frigate programs during DSEI 2023. Babcock just laid the keel for the second Type 31 (Inspiration class) frigate, HMS Ventur...

….the fact that we are already ordering another 27, we will not cap it at 48. Has the tranche 2 F35b order actually been made? Or has a commitment to order another 27x F35 somethings been made? It’s not the same thing and it’s nearly a decade away. Much can change. A new government could cancel it ...

Sure, plan B, buy a bulk amount of F-35's, but GCAP must maintain first and formost. That’s the point. The UK is supposedly going to lead on GCAP whilst simultaneously purchasing 138x F35b. Not realistic. If the priority is Tempest until Tempest isn’t the priority then where does that leave the F35...

Sure, plan B, buy a bulk amount of F-35's, but GCAP must maintain first and formost. That’s the point. The UK is supposedly going to lead on GCAP whilst simultaneously purchasing 138x F35b. Not realistic. If the priority is Tempest until Tempest isn’t the priority then where does that leave the F35...

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Japan-s-new-jet-fighter-alliance-pushes-limits-of-defense-policy The GCAP is the flagship project of the government's increasingly proactive defense policy, part of a broader effort to transform Japan's pacifist legacy in the face of an increasingly t...

How can any foreign supplier take us seriously when we've allowed our air force to be hollowed out almost completely over the last decade and a half? Too true. Perhaps HMG is using the F35b funding to kickstart GCAP which admittedly has a certain rationale. Essentially cap the F35b at 48 and channe...

Interesting photo. Virtually, the same size. Makes me feel why not get the same/syster hull, for commonality? https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1705224046898532854 Because bought off open market that's why. I know. But, it is also "commonality" was not required. If required, MOD shou...

Just continue building the hulls you already have in production it will be cheaper in the long run. I generally agree this should the the starting objective for the project, but shouldn't cling on to the idea too tightly if the size a power requirements start to diverge. This could work if the lean...

donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023, 15:22 Interesting photo. Virtually, the same size. Makes me feel why not get the same/syster hull, for commonality?

Because bought off open market that's why.

I feel like NL is only reporting this because it is a narrative they have not heard before, and thus are unfamiliar for opposing arguments. It is also very weird for NL to be posting this, I have never seen them post anything not naval related, strictly so. I presume the naval angle is that we shou...

Sounds like Justin Bronk was on a soapbox at DSEI: https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1704883235526775158?s=20 I feel like NL is only reporting this because it is a narrative they have not heard before, and thus are unfamiliar for opposing arguments. It is also very weird for NL to be posting t...

Personally, I think it is too high grade. For River B1 replacement, it must be more simple. But, I like this idea, anyway. I really don’t think a direct RB1 replacement is a priority. Far better to recall 3x RB2’s back to the UK EEZ to replace the RB1’s and build 3 of these for the global patrol ro...

I thought that that was what you where arging with me in a previous argument, about B1 replacements? I’ll need to find the context, I believe I’ve been consistent in my view. amphib thread. This bit? 3) T31's (Originally T26) is to replace the T23GP's. It’s not about what they replaced, it’s about ...

Repulse wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023, 16:36

new guy wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023, 15:49 I thought that that was what you where arging with me in a previous argument, about B1 replacements?

I’ll need to find the context, I believe I’ve been consistent in my view.

amphib thread.

~£270m for a T31 plus GFE is not expensive anywhere in the world. It’s a real success story. More made up numbers. The defence equipment plan 2022 to 2032 has the T31 "Expected cost to completion" = £1986 million so the above figure is a 32% discount on the actual price. (and that's befor...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023, 11:24

US 'Lightning carrier'
. Doesn't have large enough stores for jet ops longer than a week.

meanwhile...

QEC
. Has stores of jet fuel and weapons equivelent to that of a US super carrier.

No, a LHD can't do CSG.
No, You can't transfere the crew of a carrier when not being used to other hulls.

The combined incompetence of the MoD and Treasury strikes again, FT saying 40% jump in programme costs to £1.76 billion https://www.ft.com/content/75e704e9-7d09-4d93-9fea-82404e89e1dd https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/1704424345181855756 The aircraft are very cheap. we should buy some more (we...