There was loads of complete off-topic stuff about gas prices (I think - only skimmed them long enough to think WTF has this got to do with T32) I only noticed when I came back to try and quote a summary of T26 programme development woes that I put hear to find it and it wasn't here. Just asking bec...

What unmanned kit would it operate? There is no current unmanned kit for ASW. Not true https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/sea-air-space-2024/2024/04/saildrone-and-thales-australia-to-integrate-towed-array-on-usv/ https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/navdex-2023/2023/02/arcims-seasense-an-autonomo...

The Telegraph article linked to up thread for one, it uses the phase 'at least' a number of times. The article also talks about four T26 in the first batch when it is actually three and also talks about the original plan for 12 Type 26 when it was of course 13. So make of it what you will. I read i...

Here is my takeaway: Only Batch 1 would meet the timeline. The last of which HMS Belfast is already delayed. Meanwhile in France they could probably get them out far quicker and cheaper for more with FDI, while also having a much better AAW fitting. The article all of this comes from talks about fou...

tomuk wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 21:56

sol wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 21:53

serge750 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 20:42 ... with the possible T26 hulls being transfered to norway ?

Just one hull actually, either Belfast (3rd) or Birmingham (4th).

Articles suggest at least one

Show where.

Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to rebuild capability, Cammells/A&P would love the work if it is at no risk to them, SDA virtually bankrupted them again. A bit of subbing is fine, but the risk goes up the bigger the blocks are. As for Fergusons I wouldn't touch that dumpster fire with ...

Anyone else found multiple posts here deleted?

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

Ron5 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 14:35
History 101

So you can't tell me how so?

I thought the problem was that they couldn't be built long enough in that location due to some historically valuable buildings behind. Apologies - I'm not explaining very well. I'm not suggesting extending the original sheds (red outline), but covering the area (yellow outline) currently used for o...

Ron5 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 13:59


Wrong!! It was the Treasury under Geo Osborne.

How so.

Effectively Norway would be funding the 5x T26 that HMG refused to fund. Never thought of it that way. True! We've gone all around the houses to get back to where we should have been from day 1 with a modernised frigate factory pumping out 13 x T26s. Jeez we make life hard for ourselves Navy's fault.

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 10:15 It’s how the likes of the French operate to keep yards open and expand user base. If we are serious about exports and the industrial base it’s what we need to do as well.

Even more so the Italians

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 09:25

If this comes with a much accelerated build rate and lowering in build cost as such that we get 2 replacements + 1 or 2 extra by 3035-2040 then I am for this.

Repulse wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 08:01

tomuk wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 04:54 Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cover OPV/HADR?

Isn’t that exactly what people are so excited about? T31s replacing B2 Rivers?

That's not what is happening.

My random question of the day is, doesn’t a company in Norway make the composite masts for the type 26? Yep, but that is like saying we make the bolts on the wingtips for F15-EX. a.k.a it is quite minimal value and wouldn't matter at all. If Norway does participate then building ship blocks would b...

Repulse wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 17:40

new guy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 17:19

Jackstar wrote: ↑05 Nov 2023, 22:26 Appledore Shipyard looks to hire 100 new workers.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne ... 00-8883493

Anybody know what the 3 RFA's are?

Aren’t they building parts of the FSSs?

Oh I am dumb I thought they where talking about refit or maintenance work.

Jackstar wrote: ↑05 Nov 2023, 22:26 Appledore Shipyard looks to hire 100 new workers.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne ... 00-8883493

Anybody know what the 3 RFA's are?

4 voyagers where there, and say each can support up to 4 eurofighters then that is 12 on-top of the 4 already there.

H&W has a partnership with Austal for Aluminium shipbuilding focused on the Border force requirement. https://www.harland-wolff.com/news/austal-australia-enters-mou-with-harland-wolff-group-to-pursue-shipbuilding-opportunities-in-the-united-kingdom/ IOW shipyard is the sister company of the bui...

Odd that you take an article that basically says that ESSM is a self-defence missile that is finding little use in the Red Sea, as it can't intercept missiles aimed at other ships (so the USN has to use SM2 for that purpose) and use that to criticise CAMM, which IS capable of intercepting crossing ...

Made by the sister company of IoW shipyard... Another contender in the future if the RN ever gets into anything littoral.

Odd that you take an article that basically says that ESSM is a self-defence missile that is finding little use in the Red Sea, as it can't intercept missiles aimed at other ships (so the USN has to use SM2 for that purpose) and use that to criticise CAMM, which IS capable of intercepting crossing ...

tomuk wrote: ↑11 Apr 2024, 22:45
But as always you're wrong we need five GPs just to stand still. Were you made redundant by Babcock or something because you sure have an axe to grind.

Exactly. T31 just are the minimum, the lowest we can go.