Ron5 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:35 You really need to read the DOU. It's available online

Where can I find it? I'd be interested to read it.

They are interesting speculations. The aft funnel location seemed quite a clever solution and added redundancy. Locating the exls there would also be common from a design\qualification perspective with the Canadian version. The CSC has 6 ExLS cells behind the funnel so if the T26 really will be fit...

+ whether they will be constructed at roysth. Also how close they will be to Visby 2.0, Pohjanmaa-class, e.c.t. or any of the ~100m ship designs in that range that both saab and babcock have had in recent years. The Luleå class will 100% not be constructed at Rosyth. The hull will probably be built...

Caribbean wrote: ↑17 Nov 2023, 13:56 They are said to be able to fit SAMs

At least according to the NL wiki, there are no provisions for SAMs

new guy wrote: ↑16 Nov 2023, 19:22 *[action]* zoom in on the different VLS *[/end.action]*

That picture is fascinating since it seems like it shows EXLS, I strongly suspected that the regular mushrooms would be fitted behind the bridge where Umkhonto was originally planned.

Didn't we already know CAMM was going on the Visby's? No official SAM is formally yet to be chosen for Visby MLU but FMV has shown CAMM + EXLS in a PowerPoint about Visby MLU. But being frank the odds are extremely high that it will be CAMM since Visby can't fit Mk41+ESSM without drastically changi...

Tornado ECR was modernized and upgraded less than a decade ago and provides the starting point for the EF development. It's worth the cost even if only 20 ECR are produced as this will go on to serve as the foundation for developing FCAS EW capabilities as well. Well if the EK EW system will be use...

Also curious what future the Refix Complex has, as even a Type 31 will be pushing it in beam. Though in length they're not far off a Batch 3 Type 22. Since T26 has been confirmed to be based in Devonport I thought T31 would be based and maintained in Portsmouth. I did find a quote from Kevin Russel...

This is a bit of a topic but does anyone know what docks in Devonport can fit a T26? From what I understand only 8 dock will be large enough since 10 dock will be refitted for submarine work and the Frigate Refit Complex is too small.

abc123 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 17:06 right about Tempest...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.

abc123 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 17:06 And Sweden too might become a new Germany, if they have a veto right about Tempest...

Sweden has a long reputation for selling weapons to anyone with a big enough wallet.

abc123 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 17:06 right about Tempest...
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.

abc123 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023, 17:06 And Sweden too might become a new Germany, if they have a veto right about Tempest...

Sweden has a long reputation for selling weapons to anyone with a big enough wallet.

Why not mount CAMM on BvS10? It's the same design as the BvS410 which carries IRIS-T SL in the Eldenhet 98 configuration. CAMM is not much bigger than IRIS-T, so that would be a good option.

Meriv9 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 17:03 Zavve on french forums they constantly write(fantasy?) that Sweden is on the SCAF on their side. Any source for this?

Well, I can't rule anything out but I've heard nothing about it from Swedish forums or media. I would be inclined to believe that it is a fantasy as of right now.

Not to downplay their capabilities, but does Babcock have the design capability/expertise to deliver a new 100m warship design? A pure Babcock design has never been on the table. What we are speculating about is a Saab and Babcock collaboration. Saab was the main design for the Visby class, togethe...

I think that was the role of Sweden, giving equal grounds as the FCAS to EU funds. So their lacking of partecipation even just nominally is bad. I'm still holding out hope for Swedish participation, especially since the Gvmt has announced a 28%!!! increase in defence spending for next year to 2.1% ...

Are the Swedish looking at building say 7 new 100+ meter ships as part there commitment to NATO and say SNMG-1&2 4 Luleå corvettes/light frigates are in the early definition stages. They are expected to be considerably larger than Visby (73m) so around 100m seems appropriate. The suspicion from...

[/quote] We order through Ultra Defence, hence the name 2087 and all of that? do they have a UK production and maintenance line? [/quote] According to https://academic-accelerator.com/encyclopedia/sonar-2087 "Sonar 2087 (part of the overall Sonar product CAPTAS-4, sometimes abbreviated S2087) i...

Tejas Mk1A AESA radar is inferior to Gripen C radar? Gripen E is in a much higher price bracket. Where did I state that? I'm talking about Gripen E, as Gripen C is not in production. You can't just cherry-pick the best current variant for HAL (Tejas MK1A) and the worst current variant for SAAB (Gri...

dmereifield wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 16:06 Is the Tejas Mk1A any good?

Not really. Tejas is basically a Gripen, but worse in every way.

Does anyone know why the Type 26 carries only a VDS but not a linear towed array (excluding S2170)? Both the Constellation and the Chinese Type 054B will have both a VDS and a linear towed array.

host Turkey maybe onto something, a 21st century Mig21 replacement for a host of second tier airforces. Most MiG-21 operators are too poor to buy a fifth-ish generation fighter. India is a no-go, due to Turkey's Pakistani partnership and India's crazy belief that they can develop AMCA when they can...

serge750 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2023, 19:50 would it cheaper/easier to modify the T31 with the CEFER system & keep the T26 pretty much as the RN ones ?

I don't think the T31 hull can carry the CEAFAR2 setup, it is simply too big.

How much would a Hunter-class cancellation hurt the T26 programme/UK industry? Are there cancellation penalties in the contracts?

Just so we are all clear on the program costs of Type 26 March 2010 BAE receive a £127 million design contract ( program cost 2010 127 million ) Feb 2015 BAE receive a £859 million contract for on going design and long lead part's ( program cost 2015 986 million ) July 2017 BAE receive a £3.7 billi...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑29 May 2023, 17:12 Will a FREMM really be that much cheaper?

A US-built FFG-62 would be around the same price as a UK-built T26. I think the most likely to least likely are as follows, 1: F127, 2: FFG-62, 3: T26: 4: ASWF, 5: F110, T31 & FDI.