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by mr.fred
14 Oct 2019, 21:59
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

More Nemo:

Amongst other things.
by mr.fred
12 Oct 2019, 20:28
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

I wonder what these platoons are supposed to face. What terrain and what adversaries? The Finns organise for their terrain, so what terrain are we planning on sending our units into? I can’t help but think that these mini battle groups are going to be very vulnerable to being locally outnumbered, op...
by mr.fred
12 Oct 2019, 12:40
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

The Administrative arrangement doesn't have to mirror the tactical arrangement, so if all your dual-roled recce / anti-air vehicles were concentrated in the recce platoon, you can still deploy sections to the companies as required. With all of this, it sounds like you are trying to make an infantry ...
by mr.fred
12 Oct 2019, 08:47
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Given the limited utility of gun armed anti-air these days, the need for a specialist gun isn’t so compelling. Equally, the state of modern fire control on all vehicles means that the difference between gun handling on dedicated AA vehicles and the run-of-the-mill vehicles is less than it has been i...
by mr.fred
11 Oct 2019, 17:23
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

"ARV" "AEV" and "DSAA" were new ones on me this time around. Based on Lord Jim's explanatory post, I'd guess "Armoured Recovery Vehicle" and "Armoured Engineering Vehicle" for the first two but I'm still lost as to what the "DS" in DSAA is ...
by mr.fred
10 Oct 2019, 23:07
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

I know many do not like the organisation of the Mechanised Infantry Battalions that consists of permanent Platoon level battle groups, so here is a Battalion structure that allow such formation to be formed if and when needed. I know diddly about army organization, do those that do think Jim's prop...
by mr.fred
06 Oct 2019, 22:24
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

I might go so far as mixing in IFVs to the platoon Is this someone signing up :D to my "long-running campaign" of having one in four Boxer as an IFV/ fire support vehicle, whereas the other three act as APCs (as planned)? I'd consider it before the all-arms battlegroup in a platoon, certa...
by mr.fred
05 Oct 2019, 18:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 867
Views: 65980
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Plus, if you mandate the RLS turret, why would they price it competively?

Look at the Warrior programme. When they mandated just a cannon, half of the companies pulled out.
by mr.fred
05 Oct 2019, 15:29
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 867
Views: 65980
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Is it the same as AUS is putting on their Boxers ? If not why surely that would of been the most sensible choice followed by the CT40 IMO. No. Rheinmetall is offering their IFV, the KF41, with that turret. Unlikely they’d supply that to a competitors well. Apparently the requirement specified that ...
by mr.fred
27 Sep 2019, 21:06
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1478
Views: 114637
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)


A little bit more on Challenger LEP
by mr.fred
19 Sep 2019, 20:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Wiki says 12 rockets in 40 seconds, so the additional six take less time than the additional time of a GOAT vs a proper SPG
by mr.fred
10 Sep 2019, 21:25
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 481
Views: 49151
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

8 have always been quoted (does that tally up from the turreted ones?): Only if you don't count the FV524 as turreted The article says 380 ( ) in the original plan .... and as the order of battle has changed, the number of WCSP is expected to be reduced to perhaps 250 to 280 units. But has the cost...
by mr.fred
08 Sep 2019, 21:33
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93622
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

I kind of figured that the plan to make a platoon a combined arms battlegroup was bananas. I might go so far as mixing in IFVs to the platoon, but artillery and SPAA? Commanding that to get the best out of all elements would be challenging. Making the IFV and the SPAA different would be a costly way...
by mr.fred
05 Sep 2019, 20:26
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 481
Views: 49151
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Has anyone spotted that the article link now leads to a 404 page not found? I wonder what that is?

No ironic inflection intended - I genuinely wonder why.
by mr.fred
02 Sep 2019, 19:26
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 481
Views: 49151
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Has anyone heard any more on the the warrior CSP program ? Last I heard it had hit a wall and is in real trouble with Ajax now being considered as a full blow replacement instead. Personally Iv always thought that this would be the best way to go but funding restricted it. There was this: https://w...
by mr.fred
01 Sep 2019, 21:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

I think what you are referring to is what I would call semi indirect. In this situation at least one of the mortar team can see the target however the mortar itself can be behind cover, in a ditch behind a wall or bank etc. The team member with eyes on then directs the fire much as a MFC would. Wha...
by mr.fred
01 Sep 2019, 19:06
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

Direct fire with a mortar is a risky business I fear. It takes longer to establish a sighting picture and is impossible to fire from prone as with an UGL. Rushing a round or rounds is just as likely to kill your own troops. Using it in such a way would be less accurate in my experience with the 51m...
by mr.fred
01 Sep 2019, 14:53
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

The days of man packing mortar tubes and rounds are over. In the 'fight fast, fight dispersed' mentality especially against numerically superior forces then you have to be mobile. By that i mean that even light role units will be wheeled and have to shake out and deploy rapidly before moving. At no...
by mr.fred
31 Aug 2019, 21:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

There is no way anyone would operate the 60mm mortar in direct fire I'm afraid. Soldiers have done just thatfor the past hundred years or so. The firing position would leave the gunner and loader very exposed True of any weapon system if you take up an exposed firing position. Nothing says that you...
by mr.fred
30 Aug 2019, 19:49
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

Yes but only makes sense if we move to the 120 mm mortar for Coy, Bn, and mechanised units and issue this at Plt level as a 2 man fire team attached to the standard 3 x 8 +4 Plt from the heavy support coy. Otherwise we have 2 light mortars (81mm , 60mm) with overlapping roles. Also, if we switch to...
by mr.fred
16 Jul 2019, 21:13
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Yes, support teams have to rest and rearm, but are they on the same cycle as the rifle companies? Keep the support at a higher level and you can attach to lower level or come together for more concentrated effect Disperse the teams throughout the rifle companies and you can’t redeploy them en masse....
by mr.fred
16 Jul 2019, 19:27
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Organic artillery does mean better co-operation with the sub unit they are part of, but it makes cross-posting them to other sub-units more difficult. If you have one of your companies resting or otherwise in reserve, their support weapons go too. With support weapons at the battalion level you can ...
by mr.fred
15 Jul 2019, 23:02
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m not sure about this company level business, when you can concentrate at battalion for training purposes then attach to sub units as required
by mr.fred
14 Jul 2019, 22:09
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

The 105mm has been a very good weapon but is totally out classed in todays conflicts except possibly COIN operations. Totally outclassed by what? The logical replacement is the latest version of the M777 which has similar mobility but provides far greater fire support at longer range and is more fl...
by mr.fred
14 Jul 2019, 21:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14855
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Voldemort wrote:Obviously best case would be all four, 81-105-120-155. Finland is moving to 81-120-155 in the near future.


Why keep the 81mm?

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