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by Dobbo
16 Jan 2022, 14:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think I said further up the thread - there is tactical merit in the T31 (and T32 assuming it is akin to a T31 batch 2) being relatively launch platforms for weapons systems which could influence matters over a wide radius (Tomahawk would be the example from the last 30 years). There’s obviously a ...
by Dobbo
14 Jan 2022, 09:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Making a general observation (and there is some crossover between this and the missile thread) I think a key plank of what the RN should aspire to achieve (and I think is what they are working towards) is having a common VLS across the escort fleet (ie Mk 41) with a range of missiles that keep oppon...
by Dobbo
14 Jan 2022, 08:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: SSN(R) Future Astute Replacement (2040s) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 16
Views: 1182
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Re: SSN(R) Future Astute Replacement (2040s) (RN) [News Only]

I’d imagine that the U.K. Submarine building industry should aim for a fairly straightforward build cycle. Over a 30-35 year period they should aim to design, build and deliver 4x SSBN and 10-12x SSN for the RN. Anything less than that would likely mean disruption on the scale we saw with Astute and...
by Dobbo
01 Jan 2022, 13:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 790
Views: 179076
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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

I suspect what this illustrates is that the RN is much more likely to want to pursue future weapons systems fits that are based on US rather than European. This may not be apparent until the T83 but I think the points in this thread draw out many of the issues that are likely to lead to that conclus...
by Dobbo
27 Dec 2021, 23:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 7435
Views: 1844408
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

Plenty of punch… seems a relatively cost effective way of increasing firepower reasonably quickly…
by Dobbo
27 Dec 2021, 21:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 7435
Views: 1844408
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

How many MK41 could T31 fit?

Anything in the region of 16+ Would pack a decent and credible punch…
by Dobbo
17 Dec 2021, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is a holistic element to all of this in terms of what roles the navy is expected to deliver and what is the fleet composition needed to deliver that. At the top end, there is carrier strike. That requires eye wateringly expensive bits of kit, and despite everything the RN has it is still short...
by Dobbo
15 Dec 2021, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thing is, the report basically recommended three things for the surface escorts (not including getting a move on with T45 PIP) which were: 1 - across the board they need an offensive missile capability (land attack and ASuW) 2 - the T45 (and by extension the T83) needs an ABM capability. 3 - we nee...
by Dobbo
15 Dec 2021, 10:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thing is, the report basically recommended three things for the surface escorts (not including getting a move on with T45 PIP) which were: 1 - across the board they need an offensive missile capability (land attack and ASuW) 2 - the T45 (and by extension the T83) needs an ABM capability. 3 - we need...
by Dobbo
14 Dec 2021, 12:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I hope so - they all look to reflect reality. Consider this comment:

“73. It is clear that the budget priorities of successive governments have delivered a fleet of porcupines (well defended herbivores).”

Ooof!
by Dobbo
05 Nov 2021, 14:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Type 83 Destroyer (RN) [News Only]

Isn't ABM a bit of a fantasy capability. If a nuclear war goes hot Russia have stated they will be launching hundreds of ballistic missiles with goodness knows how many warheads. We won't be intercepting them. ABM is aimed at anti ship ballistic missiles, and possibly the odd rogue launch (say from...
by Dobbo
05 Nov 2021, 14:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I agree the B2's sea going days and ability to use most ports are pluses but having to use ports to replenish can be a down side to as we saw when Clyde was turned away from Brazil True, the real value of RAS is to be able to keep a ship on station for extended periods. I would say though that is n...
by Dobbo
04 Nov 2021, 12:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Type 83 Destroyer (RN) [News Only]

I could see that being the way to go, and there could be an AUKUS synergy if the Aussies feel they need a top of the line AAW destroyer.

The issue will be how to get work share and tech transfer if the U.K. go down the AEGIS route…
by Dobbo
02 Nov 2021, 23:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 83 Destroyer (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 150
Views: 26565
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Re: Type 83 Destroyer (RN) [News Only]

The word "Exquisite", leaves me thinking the idea will be to make the T-83 the best AAW/ABM platform it can be, whilst building no fewer then six to avoid reducing the escort fleet. I agree - but that has to be the bare minimum, and ideal you would have at least 8 of those with the abilit...
by Dobbo
20 Oct 2021, 00:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think without question the tempo of the drumbeat of submarine construction should increase. Constructing 11 over a c.30 - 35 year cycle is horrendously inefficient and realistically you want to see at least 14 SSBN/SSN’s constructed over that period, assuming the concepts of such remain over that ...
by Dobbo
08 Oct 2021, 13:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How big to you think the T83 will be? Govan built HMS Ocean and they built Chemical and LPG tankers when owned by Kvaerner. They were up to 236m x 32m. I’d expect the T83 to be broadly comparable with the larger American, Japanese, and South Korean destroyers which I think is well within the size o...
by Dobbo
06 Oct 2021, 09:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is a lot to be said about substantive commonality between the T-83 and SSNR (at least as between the U.K. and Australia) if both countries wish to have a cutting edge warship / boat in sufficient numbers (for the U.K. I would say that is at least 8 of each with ideally 10 SSNR - the deteriorat...
by Dobbo
02 Oct 2021, 11:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I agree that 6 destroyers/cruisers is too few, but I suspect 12 is likely to be a bridge too far. I’d be satisfied with 8. Realistically, to be credible top tier AAW assets from the 2030s they need to have a spectrum of capability that includes dealing with subsonic, supersonic and hypersonic SSMs, ...
by Dobbo
02 Oct 2021, 08:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

All it needs now is the Sampson RADAR on top the mast :D T4X ..... I assume (and this is based on reasonably informed - for a layperson - speculation) the RN’s ambition for the T-83 at this stage requires a hull and superstructure that is considerably larger than the T-26 (or any stretch thereof).
by Dobbo
24 Sep 2021, 09:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 7435
Views: 1844408
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

If with some relatively cheap purchases or cascading equipment from retiring T23s (e.g. SeaCeptor silos, I-SSGW etc) you end up with essentially an ocean going patrol ship which could form a small part of a larger task force with QEC, T26 and eventually the T83, and you free up the aforesaid top of ...
by Dobbo
17 Sep 2021, 08:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

With regards the above IMO much will depend on whether the Hunter frigate programme is a success. Assuming that it is then there are plenty of areas (including T83 / Hobart replacement) where there could be considerable mutual benefit in future joint programmes. That said, there is also plenty of s...
by Dobbo
16 Sep 2021, 19:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Forgive me if this is the wrong place for this topic - it straddles a number of issues, this feels the most relevant, but happy for it to be moved if a more appropriate location is found. Given the Oz-U.K.-US pact, to what extent do we believe this opens the door to deeper cooperation between the U....
by Dobbo
21 Jul 2021, 10:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

A quick point I’d like to make is the numbers mix between T45 / T83, T26, T31 and T32. Unless I’ve got this wrong (happy to stand corrected) as things stand it is anticipated that the RN will have 8x T26, and 5x of each of T31 and T32. The current issues with the T45 (and the poor availability from ...
by Dobbo
16 May 2021, 07:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Isn’t a lot of what the T32 might be (and what it needs to be) subject to what the T83 ends up being, and how many of them the RN ends up having? For example, if T83 is an all singing all dancing 15,000 ton cruiser with ABM, AAW, ASW, ASuW and space for a couple of helicopters and UAV and UUVs you c...
by Dobbo
15 May 2021, 10:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 14793
Views: 3328096
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don’t think the argument in favour of having a common Hull between T26 and T83 (or whatever or ends up becoming) is especially persuasive. As far as I can tell the only good arguments are industrial and financial (ie we have a line set up and can keep building with minor changes and at lower cost)...