Caribbean wrote: ↑03 Aug 2022, 13:42 It would certainly seem like a good idea to team up with some academic institutions. There are a lot of good Universities in the North

I suspect they will have talks with UCLAN. It's always been a uni/poly that many left to join BAE.

It seems the US is keen to maintain some way to collaborate on 6th gen fighters. "US, UK Will Have ‘Avenue’ to Share Best Practices for Sixth-Gen Fighter Development" I found this little bit interesting “We’re aware the U.K. is working with Sweden and Italy on [Tempest],” Metrolis said. “...

https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnb ... Track=true

Stating metal already being cut for it!

I think Dassault CEO Trappier recently said that FCAS has already missed 2040, and with Rafale cleaning up in the export market I suspect the foot has gone off the gas I wouldn't put too much into what is said about timeframes. Throw enough money at something, and suddenly it is possible. “Even if ...

I think Dassault CEO Trappier recently said that FCAS has already missed 2040, and with Rafale cleaning up in the export market I suspect the foot has gone off the gas I wouldn't put too much into what is said about timeframes. Throw enough money at something, and suddenly it is possible. I read to...

Sweden technically are already onboard and a joint member. At the moment it looks like they are in for educational purposes, possibly bringing in some form of agile production tech that they have used for their own plane and a demonstrator with the yanks. By the sounds of things now, the next stage ...

I imagine that this is the telegraph getting mixed up. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/18/bae-work-first-new-supersonic-fighter-jet-almost-40-years/ The defence giant will develop a sixth-generation warplane to replace the Eurofighter Typhoon. The flying prototype will be a venture betw...

Looks like the old Replica!

180watt solar panel for recharging the stick on GPS devices.

Honestly tho, perhaps it some sort of comms array, although it seems a bit big.

My last thoughts are it could just be a badly rendered image.

At best now Russia will be fielding low numbers of 5th gen jets by the 2030 and the way things are going for them things wont improve into the 2040's the French if needed could go for a small buy of 50 F-35C for there carriers making the job of a land based 5 gen jet easier France will never buy an...

Some stuff from Janes https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/team-tempest-prepares-for-10-year-challenge-to-deliver-capability-in-2035 “This will be a decade-long window to deliver the Tempest capability in half the time of a comparable programme, such as the Eurofighter, which took nearly 2...

Bit of an opinion article here https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/05/tempest-fighter-will-it-fly/ Also, thanks for the replies. So it looks like end of the Oct 2024/early 2025 for the next phase to be done. I've been reading RR is back in talks with Turkey again other their 5th Gen engine procurement....

Quick question (possibly longer answers!)

When are we expecting some form of movement on Tempest, such as design sign off or prototype release.

Basically, do we know of the timeline?

Commons answers 14th March :- https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2022-03-08/136556 Why do I get the feeling that when they say a further 1 Bn, they mean it is 1bn from the FCAS program, that they've just reallocated to the “Northern Powerhouse”, and not extra fundin...

It shouldn't at all. The nuclear capable Tornado were always going to be replaced well before FCAS (which won't be capable of B-61/12 delivery). It might actually make an entry to service easier as one of the FCAS partners will have actually operated an LO platform by 2040... The reason I believe t...

Well, cat amongst the pigeons.

The question will be how is this going to affect Germany's needs in FCAS now.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge ... 022-03-14/

Whatever France can do, it seems the UK can do also. What with joint engine development with Japan, it seems RR is back to making Engines for Turkey and their 5th Gen T-FX jet. https://www.dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkey-working-with-rolls-royce-on-5th-gen-combat-aircraft-engine Stating that ...

Some more information here https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/dassault-ceo-voices-frustration-with-airbus-over-fighter-talks-2022-03-04/ https://eurasiantimes.com/rafale-typhoon-why-the-next-gen-fcas-fighter-jet-program/ https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/dassault-boss-trappier-hit...

These two are at it like a married couple. I can only presume, whatever is finally made, will be late and very expensive. Good news for Tempest as it will probably mean it can clean up in the Export market within Europe. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-04/dassault-threatens-to-pull-p...

I presume we're going to see an uplift in military budgets due to the Ukraine/Russian conflict. So if Tempest was under funded before, I'm also presuming it won't be for much longer.

Meriv9 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 12:53
The problem are the Spanish. Because we can buy tanks and other N° stuff from the Germans to counterbalance the Tempest.Stuff that we need. But what we buy from the Spanish?

Work on the wingman…

Obviously, again about the FCAS (Tempest news is a little slow). https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/franco-german-dispute-stalls-new-european-fighter-jet-plans-1.1713693 (Bloomberg) -- Development of a future European fighter jet first mooted by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President E...

Not sure if this is relevant here, but the Germans may be considering the F35 again. Not sure how this would affect the FCAS?

Isn't the F35 with Aircraft, whereas Tempest will just be one.

I suspect Tempest will be far cheaper that $50bn to develop, but it will need Italy on board or some overseas order.

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/08/05/news/tempest_l_italia_stanzia_due_miliardi_per_il_nuovo_supercaccia-313024435/?ref=RHTP-BH-I304495303-P2-S7-T1 Behind paywall, but here the first 2bln for the Tempest from our side Will keep you updated on the political storm it is going to create. Italy...