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by SD67
06 Dec 2022, 17:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Or simply sell the early type 26 to countries currently running hand me down type 22/23 and keep iterating new builds at the end. You seem to think the RN would keep any money generated from ship sales. Think again, it all goes to the Treasury. I could have posted this half a dozen times in this th...
by SD67
06 Dec 2022, 12:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

“More T26” to fill another half is very nice, as I said. But, if we build many, it will end up killing T83, I’m afraid. It will not kill it as such, it would push any follow up class to the right (2040s) which is ok. As we’ve discussed elsewhere there is a strong argument that the TXX will be the s...
by SD67
05 Dec 2022, 09:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I'd go for gap filler 2 - build a couple more type 26s. Problem with OPVs is they don't actually fill the gap. The trades you really need to retain are the people doing the high end integration. There's not much of that work on a simple OPV. BAE in Melbourne were offered a couple of simple OPVs as g...
by SD67
04 Dec 2022, 23:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

On plan-B. Plan-A: find a resource to design T83 on time This will deeply depend on what kind of AAW system it will adopt. Remain on Aster world, or go for AEGIS world. Note that, AAW system development costs even more than the ship design cost. If RN accept going with AEGIS, or just "import&q...
by SD67
01 Dec 2022, 17:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If "design and initial costs" equates to 2 unit cost, then 8.1Bn divided by 2 + 8 gives you £810M. That's it for me... Donald-san Pre maingate (ie pre2015) : 140 m Demonstration Phase (ie design) : 850 m Build batch 1 : 3.9 billion Build Batch 2 : 4.2 billion Program cost to date = 9090 =...
by SD67
01 Dec 2022, 10:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If "design and initial costs" equates to 2 unit cost, then 8.1Bn divided by 2 + 8 gives you £810M. That's it for me... Donald-san Pre maingate (ie pre2015) : 140 m Demonstration Phase (ie design) : 850 m Build batch 1 : 3.9 billion Build Batch 2 : 4.2 billion Program cost to date = 9090 =...
by SD67
30 Nov 2022, 12:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

65? That sounds very low

One of the upsides of FCASW in my mind is that because it's a new missile, there will need to be a substantial initial production run to justify the investment, I'm guessing around 1000 missiles split evenly. So indirectly rebuilding stocks
by SD67
29 Nov 2022, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

My problem is two fold firstly that I don't believe we could get type 26 for 800 million at anytime ( this just me and would would like to be proven wrong by BAE building a T-26 for this money ) 3.7bn for the first three equates to £1.3bn for development and design, and each ship costing 800m to bu...
by SD67
28 Nov 2022, 12:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Question for the experts - what's the practical range of a ship launched anti ship missile? I mean at 200 km the flight time is what, 20 minutes, something like that? In that time hasn't the ship moved beyond the range of the sensors on the missile? So isn't >200km range on an anti ship missile is j...
by SD67
27 Nov 2022, 11:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I'm sure Ukraine could do quite a bit with that fleet in the Black Sea right now, supported by say 3-4 second hand MCMs, and half a dozen FACs. That would go a long way to "winning the peace", the Ukranians could pay for it over 20 years with gas from the Donbas.
by SD67
26 Nov 2022, 11:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What SW1 is saying is right we can deploy land based fast air , AAR and drones very quickly almost anywhere Europe & Easten Med = all NATO bases as needed plus Cyprus Middle East = Saudi , Oman Pacific = Japan , Singapore , Australia South Atlantic = Falklands But the Carriers are needed to fil...
by SD67
25 Nov 2022, 20:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

IMO basing rights are going to be a problem if we’re going up against basically anyone other than Russia. In Libya and Syria the vast majority of western AirPower was naval based. If we had to do A’stan again would we be sure of a friendly reception in, say Pakistan? We’re long gone from Iraq. Ukrai...
by SD67
25 Nov 2022, 14:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Also East and West Africa will become a big play ground now the Chinese are looking for bases in the regions Excellent point and I think this is a very under-rated job the River Batch 2s have been doing recently - flying the flag in friendly countries which haven't seen a RN ship in decades. For a ...
by SD67
23 Nov 2022, 17:07
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1249
Views: 418493
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

Come to think of it, how much would it cost to attach some kind of CAMM derived booster to Stingray and make a modern mk41 compatible ASROC replacement?
by SD67
23 Nov 2022, 16:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I have a mental image of Wallace sitting in his office with a bucket list of "Defence Contracts that need Signing" on one wall and on the other a tear off countdown calendar saying "Only <x> Days till Government Collapses"
by SD67
23 Nov 2022, 15:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://twitter.com/navylookout/status/1595385400868085762?s=46&t=GSKvuOD9Da4DNZWMnH3zMg Great news and looking forward maybe a high low mix with FCASW as the High end, I'd like to see JSM ordered for P-8 annd F35 as well I think if we were gonna adopt it across land sea and air I’d get Raytheo...
by SD67
23 Nov 2022, 12:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1 wrote: 23 Nov 2022, 12:08
Great news and looking forward maybe a high low mix with FCASW as the High end, I'd like to see JSM ordered for P-8 annd F35 as well
by SD67
23 Nov 2022, 09:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

IMO we wouldn't be here if the T26 would have stuck to its original brief and been a kind of growth T23, around 5000t with basically the same ASW capability, but cheap enough to mass produce. However then we wouldn't have the Ozzies and Canadians on board, as they basically want a junior AB. (Also i...
by SD67
21 Nov 2022, 18:09
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2951
Views: 790479
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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I think this actually a 3 way arm wrestle, the interests of Dassault the company, and the billionaire family who own it, are not perfectly aligned with those of the French state. I mean, imagine if it does somehow get the go-ahead. At least 10 years of development. During that time there is still a ...
by SD67
20 Nov 2022, 17:39
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2951
Views: 790479
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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Err, two of the prospective partners are EU members… The reality is there’s not much happening at the moment in terms of pan European defence. Poland is going all in with Korea, a dozen countries have ordered F35, NH90 is being dumped left and right, MGCS is going nowhere. But at least A400M seems f...
by SD67
19 Nov 2022, 10:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But there are Problems with Khareef - short range, and it looks dangerously like a frigate, so there’s a political risk of someone at Treasury getting clever. I’ve also heard that it’s not a straight forward build - a lot of systems crammed into a 100 metre hull, the losses on that program are the r...
by SD67
18 Nov 2022, 23:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It was the River Batch 2's that I was surprised by....£650m in the mid 2010's... It's called price gouging and it's the reason T31 exists. The T26 batch 2 is 30% cheaper per unit than batch 1 in NOMINAL TERMS, ie 50% cheaper after inflation. I do not believe that Govan has suddenly become 50% more ...
by SD67
18 Nov 2022, 13:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

No it doesn't. Your figures are not even in the same solar system. The entire Frigate Factory at Rosyth was under 100 million and that included building the shed from scratch, recruiting a workforce from scratch, new IT systems, everything. Nothing as fundamental as that has been done on the Clyde. ...
by SD67
18 Nov 2022, 12:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 15863
Views: 3480608
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It was the River Batch 2's that I was surprised by....£650m in the mid 2010's... It's called price gouging and it's the reason T31 exists. The T26 batch 2 is 30% cheaper per unit than batch 1 in NOMINAL TERMS, ie 50% cheaper after inflation. I do not believe that Govan has suddenly become 50% more ...
by SD67
18 Nov 2022, 10:40
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 2336
Views: 696437
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Minor quibble - F35 rear fuselage isn't built in Wharton. A small batch of Typhoon tranche 4 incorporating some tempest tech would make a great deal of sense so there's probably no hope of the government doing it. I wish we'd gifted the whole of tranche 1 to Ukraine 2 years ago, we might be in a dif...