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by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 13:48
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1655
Views: 67264
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Re: General UK Defence Discussion

They’ve blown there budget Not really, it’s just underfunded. A lot of the projects were never actually funded in the first place so to add it all together and say there is a black hole in the budget is bonkers…they were never included in the budget. Much of it was/is aspirational. IMO it shows fou...
by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 11:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The material state of the escort fleet is not good. That has been the case for over 10 years now, glacial inaction has been the default position and we’ve bluffed it out with opvs. Its as clear as day here. https://twitter.com/TBrit90/status/1731440548274180569 Between, TAPS, Kipion, the JEF task f...
by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 08:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We are providing an appropriate level for assistance. Not convinced but what else can RN put together right now? The cupboard is bare. You provide the escorts to stop things becoming a shooting war too. We are going to be conducting and leading patrols near to Russian territory we don’t send hawks ...
by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 08:25
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1655
Views: 67264
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Re: General UK Defence Discussion

As if by coincidence despite a 19% increase in the equipment budget https://twitter.com/naoorguk/status/1731576570370834509?s=46&t=DDtfAMHAP_nISrZTkNlgBA They’ve blown there budget The MoD acknowledges that its Equipment Plan for 2023–2033 is unaffordable, with forecast costs exceeding its curre...
by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 08:18
Forum: Deployments
Topic: Caribbean
Replies: 27
Views: 1574
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Re: Caribbean

Venezuela’s naval parade in mid July showcasing its new Iranian delivered missile boats may have more meaning in this context. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-67610200 Venezuelans have voted overwhelmingly in favour of claiming a disputed oil-rich territory long controlled by neighbou...
by SW1
04 Dec 2023, 08:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

HMS Lancaster is there too, so that is two escorts either in or near the region. There is a significant number of international escorts in various groups in this region too. Is that enough or is that just what is available. It’s defence down to a budget again. This constant relying on allies is bec...
by SW1
03 Dec 2023, 22:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Isn't Diamond already on her way? In the Baltic there is the danger of a far greater economic damage via pipelines and undersea cables than a few rockets shot at the odd freighter\tanker. How many escorts do the countries that surround the Baltic actually have? • What exactly are two RN Frigates go...
by SW1
03 Dec 2023, 21:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion



Chronology of todays events.

As the years role one we are going to find out why the escort its connections with maritime security and freedom of movement/information is the priority issue at sea.
by SW1
03 Dec 2023, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So the UK Baltic deployment starting soon will have 2 x frigates , 2 x OPV's , 2 x MCM and a Bay class this will mean just one or no OPV's in UK waters https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-naval-task-force-to-deploy-to-baltic-area/ “The contingent will depart in early December to join other ship...
by SW1
03 Dec 2023, 11:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

@SW1, I saw you replied to my post but it’s gone? It is couldn’t be bothered going round this you on this any longer. If you think this extremely limited vessel 3 of which the French built and transferred the one already built for €398m to Argentina could be built in the uk for £100m for the RN and...
by SW1
03 Dec 2023, 10:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

@SW1, I saw you replied to my post but it’s gone? It is couldn’t be bothered going round this you on this any longer. If you think this extremely limited vessel 3 of which the French built and transferred the one already built for €398m to Argentina could be built in the uk for £100m for the RN and...
by SW1
02 Dec 2023, 19:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think if that’s the level of ambition for such a ship I see next to no role in the RN for it beyond possible the replace the three rivers in uk waters. Yet more nonsense. With its range / endurance, efficiency, ability to launch large rhibs/USVs through its dual stern ramp, ability to accommodate...
by SW1
02 Dec 2023, 16:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ok then this revolutionary opv churned out from this opv factory. Who making this commitment from industry and where? What does this £100m opv look like eg its size, its sensors, its aviation capabilities its range, its armaments and what roles and tasks is it going to do for the Royal Navy. Just s...
by SW1
02 Dec 2023, 12:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ok then this revolutionary opv churned out from this opv factory. Who making this commitment from industry and where? What does this £100m opv look like eg its size, its sensors, its aviation capabilities its range, its armaments and what roles and tasks is it going to do for the Royal Navy. Just s...
by SW1
02 Dec 2023, 12:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Just so there is some grounding in fact if you could give a comparison to a similar ship built for a navy somewhere in the world with a similar need that would be good. The T31 at £275m built in Rosyth. Remove 50% of the entire propulsion system. Remove 50% steel, bulkheads, doors, cabling, electri...
by SW1
02 Dec 2023, 10:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Well for one the yard that built the Irish opv went bust might give a clue to the economics of it. The other yard that built an opv didn’t get anywhere near £100m for an opv. Interesting take - Appledore closed due to lack of orders - it was part of T31 alternative bid and lost. It came back becaus...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 22:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I can see the difference on the two cgi images. I wonder why there remained cgi images? I also never heard the price for those two designs do you have a reliable figure for what they were being offered for? I have yet to see any evidence anywhere of a yard in the uk willing to build an opv of that ...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 21:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The C1 vessel should be able to defend a task force against multiple high intensity air, surface and sub surface attacks. An area defence. The C2 vessel should be to defend itself and whatever it maybe escorting against an air surface or subsurface attack. A local defence. On that definition both T...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 19:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The C1 vessel should be able to defend a task force against multiple high intensity air, surface and sub surface attacks. An area defence.

The C2 vessel should be to defend itself and whatever it maybe escorting against an air surface or subsurface attack. A local defence.
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 17:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

With all the recent investment in U.K. yards combined with the rising experience levels as the programs proceed there is no reason why building naval vessels in the U.K. is going to be automatically more expensive than other advanced European economies with comparable labour costs. One costs £100m ...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 16:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It’s not really because who in the uk is going to build it? If it’s rivers it bae and if it’s Babcock it’s a complete new design. The terms of the TOBA is your paying for the workforce and facilities so if your filling out gaps in production with it your paying the to keep the yard. That does t cha...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 12:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The hull is not where the cost is in such a vessel and the roles dictate crew numbers. If a C2 design can be built for £100mn, have a core crew of @40 and an availability of 80% I’m all ears. But what capability has it got? it isn't all about cost, crew and availability, the ship has to do somethin...
by SW1
01 Dec 2023, 10:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The hull is not where the cost is in such a vessel and the roles dictate crew numbers. If a C2 design can be built for £100mn, have a core crew of @40 and an availability of 80% I’m all ears. But what capability has it got? it isn't all about cost, crew and availability, the ship has to do somethin...
by SW1
30 Nov 2023, 22:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 18006
Views: 3669929
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

HMS Diamond joining Lancaster in the gulf. And HMS Richmond will join 7 ships on patrol area of the channel North Sea and Baltic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67572536 The UK is to send a second warship to the Gulf, in response to rising tensions in the Middle East. HMS Diamond - a Type 45 destroy...
by SW1
30 Nov 2023, 22:34
Forum: Deployments
Topic: Caribbean
Replies: 27
Views: 1574
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Re: Caribbean

Security situation in the Caribbean deteriorating https://twitter.com/frank_stones/status/1730183881398132907?s=46&t=DDtfAMHAP_nISrZTkNlgBA Shame that HMS Dauntless is no longer in the area. I belive that HMS Medway is returning to Carribean from her deployment in Falklands, (covering for HMS F...