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by Voldemort
29 Sep 2019, 12:48
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I agree, MRSI is an important feature for high intensity warfare (less so for counter-insurgency) because it adds power to the first salvo. As far as I know most guns have it or declare they have it, or are getting there. I suppose it is not too hard to do it, it is software. No, it's not just soft...
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 20:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

The cheaper alternative to a fully guided shell is one that automatically adjusts for length, reducing the length of the "zone". You mean 1D CCF like Spacido? Yes! Not seen that before (though I know of others that have been in development). Does anyone use it? I have no knowledge of that...
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 16:45
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

RunningStrong wrote:The cheaper alternative to a fully guided shell is one that automatically adjusts for length, reducing the length of the "zone".


You mean 1D CCF like Spacido?
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 12:45
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I meant that if we think of high intensity warfare we can't just accept we won't be firing when our frontline units and FOOs are jammed for a certain period, either with standard jammers or jamming munitions, or if batteries are jammed. We can't just do nothing as the frontline units are attacked. ...
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 12:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Stal wrote:"Without comms no fire mission will be executed, simple as that".
You are obviously not a gunner then.


Please elaborate. The firing unit might know where to fire even without comms but not when!!
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 11:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

If you are jammed (GPS) you can't use guided, and if your communications are jammed the only thing you can do for defensive fires would be area fire missions Without comms no fire missions will be executed, simple as that. Not even defensive area fires. GPS can be mitigated with CCF that rely on ot...
by Voldemort
28 Sep 2019, 10:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Yes, my point is for suppressive fires we now need more guns and a lot of HE, and we can't have a lot of both if the guns are hugely and unnecessarily expensive. Indeed i wasn't very clear, i also meant that we also need GMLRS, which is also expensive, but not really for suppressive fires. The only...
by Voldemort
27 Sep 2019, 10:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

what kind of formation I was projecting the choices into the BA army context: - bns/ BGs don't have organic artillery (attaching and so on; yes, I know) - we don't have divisions (and DAG was done away with a long time ago)... so in the BA context brigade-level (rolling off the 1 Artllery Bde barra...
by Voldemort
27 Sep 2019, 05:58
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

If we are buying specifically for the Strike Bdes (and potentially for others, like AI), then a couple of things don't seem to come to surface (yes the normal: high ROF, both precision and mass of fire, the latter by adding the limber for rapid replenishment, they are all good and they are there). ...
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 20:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Stal wrote:At least RCH is fully automated, unlike K9, and the Nowegians don't care about a high fuel consumption (probably between 4 to 5 litres per mile). It helps if you have oilrigs....


Is it "automatically" better or maybe it's just a preference? Pun intended.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 17:44
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Voldemort wrote:48 for 150M€, have to like


What :o ; three times as much as per v good Leo2s, per piece? (Ok, they were [a little] used, too.)


Yeah, about three times. At the time it was buyers market and Dutch wanted get rid of their Leos so they were cheap as dirt.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 15:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Voldemort wrote:Norway bought 24 K9s and 6 K10s for 215 MUSD


Did Finland get a sneaky volume discount ;) (though officially the deals were not "bundled")?


The thing is Finland bought used ones and Norway new ones. 48 for 150M€, have to like.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 09:35
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Stal wrote:Jake1992, I had the info at DSEI


Holy shit! Norway bought 24 K9s and 6 K10s for 215 MUSD with option for 24 more K9s.
by Voldemort
21 Sep 2019, 07:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I know this is pretty far reached but light rocket launchers, like LAR-160? 26x 160mm prefragmented rockets, 12-45km range, all rockets in under 60 sec, ability to fire GPS guided rockets, reloading in 5 minutes.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3280.html
by Voldemort
20 Sep 2019, 06:45
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I guess you answered the question, then?


Guess I did then. The original question just seemed a bit open ended. Any type of infantry battalion should have organic heavy mortars for firesupport, the type of chassis will change.
by Voldemort
20 Sep 2019, 06:15
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I guess you mean AI (or Strike, if wheeled)... not just any old infantry? Sure , they could be supported by assigning such (but not organic, would be a mismatch)


Why would it be a mismatch? Sure, a regular infantry battalion is ill-equipped to support and maintain a tracked mortar plattform.
by Voldemort
11 Sep 2019, 09:07
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66988
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

jimthelad wrote:totally agree, but if we could lose the 1.5kg the Finns seem to have done then perfection becomes deified!!!!


We have done what now? Finland uses PKM.
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 15:01
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66988
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

In Starbucks the sizes are apparently "Short", "Tall", and "Grande" but in plain English you could still describe them as small, medium and large. The point was that a 60mm mortar is not in the same category as an 81mm mortar. Yes, it was just "*adjusts glasses* I...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 13:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66988
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

prefragmented casing might be as effective. In addition the versatility of rounds on the market far eclipses the 81mm. I tried to find more recent articles on debate but they all cite the original and seem to take it forward. But then we're comparing apples and oranges, not apples and apples. Same ...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 11:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66988
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

I am not trying to be confrontational and send this thread into the fantasy arguments that seem to dog other parts of the forum BUT: The days of man packing mortar tubes and rounds are over. In the 'fight fast, fight dispersed' mentality especially against numerically superior forces then you have ...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 10:42
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 66988
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

Yes but only makes sense if we move to the 120 mm mortar for Coy, Bn, and mechanised units and issue this at Plt level as a 2 man fire team attached to the standard 3 x 8 +4 Plt from the heavy support coy. Otherwise we have 2 light mortars (81mm , 60mm) with overlapping roles. Also, if we switch to...
by Voldemort
18 Jul 2019, 09:33
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

My sort of dream team Strike artillery: 2-3x turntable 120mm mortars per coy 6-9x turntable mortars per Bn, not a platoon but a mortar company with loggy platoon 18-24x turreted 155mm, akin to G6. Artillery battalion with all the whistles and bells and first and foremost logistical battery!! You can...
by Voldemort
17 Jul 2019, 06:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Yes, support teams have to rest and rearm, but are they on the same cycle as the rifle companies? Keep the support at a higher level and you can attach to lower level or come together for more concentrated effect Disperse the teams throughout the rifle companies and you can’t redeploy them en masse...
by Voldemort
16 Jul 2019, 06:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m not sure about this company level business, when you can concentrate at battalion for training purposes then attach to sub units as required As a commander I'd rather have my very own mortars that attend battalion's common mortar training every now and then but spend most of the time with the c...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 12:05
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 211
Views: 14889
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

IMHO, 60 mm for platoon/company level, 81 mm for battalion level and 120 mm for brigade level- light forces. On the other hand, especially in mechanised units, having a 120 mm in a battalion level would be a good choice. That is debateable. By brigade level light forces I assume you mean atleast 16...

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