sol wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 08:01 Nice thread about all current and some expected procurements

The MMV concept is an interesting one.

We won't build more ships or crew them without a radical reshaping of our attitudes to work and careers. Absolutely, job security being a key part of that. Few are going to embark on a career if they are likely to be laid off. Long term commitment to a funded pipeline is key to changing this - whic...

BZ HMS Diamond! Lucky we have a T45 in the region

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british ... c-missile/

In the context of UK shipbuilding the increase in speed is great, but internationally we are catching up to the pack of 10 years ago. A frigate should be buildable in 4 years at most, and done 2-3 at a time. I agree but if your primary customer only wanted to commit to a frigate every two years the...

new guy wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 12:03

Repulse wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 10:12

Assume that is Argus getting replenished?

I believe it is Argus giving replenishment

A bit more info - Argus really is a jack of all trades…

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rfa-arg ... -lyme-bay/

donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑22 Apr 2024, 16:27 If MROSS-2 and MHC-LSV's core crew is to come from RFA.

I fear it’s worse and these plus MROSS-1 / MHC-OSV will also need to be RN crewed also to have any chance of getting a sustainable tanker / solid stores replenishment fleet.

Why not do it to all five? and buy five more. You obsession with doing down T31 is ridiculous, sell two for tuppence ha'penny to fund nothing. Because without new money we can’t modify the three and if sold straight from the production line it will be more than if we tie them up alongside for a few...

Of course, but this is only one model - we should be looking at mobile radars also. The point being that we can adjust our response to the threat level and location, not only for the UK but BOTs such as Cyprus and also supporting allies. There will be cases where the radar and launcher are most eff...

Of course, but this is only one model - we should be looking at mobile radars also. The point being that we can adjust our response to the threat level and location, not only for the UK but BOTs such as Cyprus and also supporting allies. There will be cases where the radar and launcher are most eff...

Does the arrow(missile) and the sensor need to be co-located for ballistic missile defence? No, this is where technologies like CEC come into play. The UK is an island so a base land capability enhanced when needed by a mobile platforms that can also be used in other regions is critical. That’s mor...

Why not do it to all five? and buy five more. You obsession with doing down T31 is ridiculous, sell two for tuppence ha'penny to fund nothing. Because without new money we can’t modify the three and if sold straight from the production line it will be more than if we tie them up alongside for a few...

In very high end situations why not use type 31 as a missile barge? If they do end up fitting mk41 at some point fill it with sm3. If it’s within a task group a type 45 or a usn destroyer can do the tracking and sensing. Or if it’s around nato/uk territories let the assure systems do the hard bit. ...

Does the arrow(missile) and the sensor need to be co-located for ballistic missile defence? No, this is where technologies like CEC come into play. The UK is an island so a base land capability enhanced when needed by a mobile platforms that can also be used in other regions is critical. That’s mor...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 10:13

Repulse wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 09:49 There is no new money, so it needs to be self funded IMO.

If there is no new money then there will be no IAMDS.

Sorry, don’t agree - the is a budget and it needs to be aligned to what is needed. Even if there was new money, a re-prioritisation is still required.

Does the arrow(missile) and the sensor need to be co-located for ballistic missile defence? No, this is where technologies like CEC come into play. The UK is an island so a base land capability enhanced when needed by a mobile platforms that can also be used in other regions is critical. That’s mor...

new guy wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 10:02

Assume that is Argus getting replenished?

Does the arrow(missile) and the sensor need to be co-located for ballistic missile defence? No, this is where technologies like CEC come into play. The UK is an island so a base land capability enhanced when needed by a mobile platforms that can also be used in other regions is critical. That’s mor...

The practicalities of getting RN another 6 Destroyers with ABM within a decade is problematic to say the least. I’ve got an idea to how to get three and how to fund it. Hypothetically, if BAE was asked to build 5 or 6 Destroyers rapidly to fill a UOR it would cause a crisis in planning and probably...

SW1 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 08:59 and bringing that 2nd war canoe into service didn’t Cameron do well.

That bit was great - buckling to last minute pleas that killed the carriers and Harrier force in 2010 when the direction was inevitable, and wasting £1/2bn on EMAL consultants to try and dress it up was the problem.

Didn’t know Argus could do replenishment…

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑21 Apr 2024, 07:40 The practicalities of getting RN another 6 Destroyers with ABM within a decade is problematic to say the least.

I’ve got an idea to how to get three and how to fund it.

tomuk wrote: ↑20 Apr 2024, 23:03 We should have words with their head of state.

He won’t be for long - there’s a referendum in the off-ing. Perhaps a Commonwealth Development fund to give countries options for investment should be at the top of the list - play China at their own game.

Would be hugely ironic if Brazil bought the Albions and with ex HMS ocean formed an amphibious ready group! 75th anniversary of nato summit in Washington so they will want to announce something! Just look what happened in wales. Pity their last Type 22s are on their way out... Could have formed an ...

It is good that defence is a central issue but whoever wins is going to have a massive tab to pay. Defence isn't a central issue for people. Current YOUGOV polling does show an increase in importance up to 19% of adults in uk now putting it as 1 of three top concerns compared to about 10% through l...