UK Defence Forum

News, History, Discussions and Debates on UK Defence.

Search found 2099 matches

Go to advanced search

by Repulse
08 Jul 2020, 19:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409499
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

RichardIC , interesting, especially with this bit. II.6) Scheduled date for start of award procedures and duration of the contract Scheduled date for start of award procedures: 31.10.2022 Not duration, but the start date is late 2022. Is that confirmation that the B1 Rivers may be around for a while?
by Repulse
05 Jul 2020, 18:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188646
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Cutting numbers of T26 from the absolute minimum of 8 is so dumb that it’s likely. The equally dumb T31 unfortunately makes people believe stupid things are possible.
by Repulse
05 Jul 2020, 16:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188646
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The UK can only afford one major yard building warships, the T31 was an attempt at getting a second up and running through a small RN investment but really by exports. I see no exports coming, the T26 has turned out to be the export success, but in the design and technology not metal bashing - if co...
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 19:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

2 Karel Doormans would probably be four to six times more expensive than an Argus replacement. The LPDs are still relatively young and can probably do another 20 years of service. An LPD, Argus and LSD would make a decent LRG, 2 LPDs, Argus and 3 LSDs plus a CVF is a first class ASG.
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 16:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

I would not pay a single penny to reduce the capability of the LPDs by removing its boat carrying capability, especially when a civilian ship purchase (given the current market) and conversion into an ASS would be probably be similar in cost.
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 11:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

RichardIC wrote:With Australia the senior partner the way things are moving.


I’d settle for an equal partner.
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 11:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 735
Views: 101905
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Have just been looking at the UK Maritime Power 2017 report, and saw the picture below. Looks like a Hunt class but with a clear deck and using cranes for 3-4 Rhibs - has anyone seen this before and can confirm? If so, looks like the Hunt would be a good part of the “bridge” MCM solution. https://i....
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 11:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

However should they want to keep an lpd then it’s likely a carrier will go they simply won’t be able to have both. I don’t believe that is the only option. It will take some political strength and direction, but it is more important than ever the UK has a laser focus on its strategic direction. To ...
by Repulse
04 Jul 2020, 09:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

My view is leave the LPDs as they are, all well-dock and davit capacity is a big part of the unique and valuable capabilities that they provide. Unless there are larger plans being secretly worked on (with cash already assigned) Littoral Strike Group and Amphibious Strike Group concepts seem to have...
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 22:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Jensy wrote:If a cost-effective means of providing permanent hangars and aviation support on the Albions were found


My view is that with two CVFs, an Argus replacement (in a Aviation Support Ship role), and RFA Fort Victoria the RN will have enough aviation support.
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 20:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 284
Views: 69305
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

I’m fully supportive of a Royal Yacht - 1947 style... :D

Image
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 20:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Lord Jim, my view is the Bays are extended logistical civilian platforms whereas the LPDs have been designed as high intensity war fighting platforms - I don’t have to think twice about where to put our money.
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 19:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

ArmChairCivvy, A fair point. The last two (T31 and FLSS) are similar expenditure. The reason why I group in the two LPDs is primarily due to the crewing requirements - I would hope with it would be some money left for an Argus replacement and another T26 :D
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 18:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

ArmChairCivvy wrote:You could have saved the two 'ORs' and the first one would stand on its own?
-rotation, or no rotation


Possibly - it depends on how much budget is available; I was being hopeful and saying that there’s money for two of the following: both LPDs active, 5 T31s or two future FLSSs.
by Repulse
03 Jul 2020, 15:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

The thread relates to the “Future Littoral Strike Ships” which we’ve strayed far from, but what the discussion shows is that everything is linked. I cannot see this concept seeing the light of day unless we use what we’ve got (the LPDs) or making cuts elsewhere (the T31) , or joining up requirements...
by Repulse
02 Jul 2020, 11:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

ArmChairCivvy , Agree, my view is that the Hunts should be the class that remains, and was surprised when the RN scrapped a couple of them a few years ago. Combined with the Rivers and 3 Bays (maybe 4 if we buy back the RAN one they are taking about replacing) this would be reasonable replacement f...
by Repulse
01 Jul 2020, 22:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Sorry, is that the fantasy fleet priority requirements or the real world priority requirements? Because the T23s and MCMs are being flogged to death. I don't remember the last time an army brigade was moved by sea, or at least by LPDs. The MCMs are being flogged, but already have a death sentence. ...
by Repulse
01 Jul 2020, 17:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Cutting assets that are used all the time to fund assets that are rarely used. Madness! No, using the assets you have based on the priority requirements you now have makes sense. Trying to retain assets which no longer meet the priority requirements, or waste money building new ones whilst binning ...
by Repulse
01 Jul 2020, 17:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 735
Views: 101905
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

So effectively use the T31 to keep numbers up until we buy more T26s over a longer period of time - say 10 to 2038. Works for me :D
by Repulse
30 Jun 2020, 21:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

increase in resources assigned to the counter narcotics We will probably need to accept our contribution will be a B2 River, a small RM detachment plus any UAVs that we can afford. I think the options that leaked to papers the last time was 7 type 23s and the wildcat fleet or the lpds. Newspaper sp...
by Repulse
30 Jun 2020, 21:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

ArmChairCivvy , It feels now that the primary “Expeditionary” role for the RMs is to target and neutralise enemy A2/AD capabilities to allow other strike assets access to operate. Or conduct limited SF raids. This isn’t something that should be led by an auxiliary. A LPD can easily scale from a LRG...
by Repulse
30 Jun 2020, 20:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

OK, 3 of them... 1 in Gulf MCM mothership role (Bahrain far away from hormuz etc) a 1/2 on HADR duties (but we are counting in cardinal numbers), so this makes for 1 2 have been announced to be (likely) used for two fwrd-based Coy-sized forces -------- sigma 3.5 to 4, for 3 ships Ok, MCM Mothership...
by Repulse
30 Jun 2020, 13:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Maybe we just dump the fluffy stuff completely and make some very hard choices: - No expeditionary ground based interventions, the max we do is SF raids and training - No RN support for HADR unless it’s in the UK or a BOT The LPDs are our raiding platforms supported by air assets from our CVFs. Ther...
by Repulse
29 Jun 2020, 22:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Gabriele , completely agree with your comments. The only thing I would add is that the RN needs to replace RFA Argus to give a third ship capable of operating 6 helicopters in an Aviation Support Ship role. This would not be a LPH and would be secondary to the CVFs, but gives an additional option f...
by Repulse
28 Jun 2020, 10:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697804
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

The T31 are to replace the GP T23s. The B2 Rivers are only filling in due to the lack of serviceable T23. I do not understand the automatic assumption that because we have 5 GP currently, we need (or its a priority) to have 5 new ones. The world has changed and hanging onto arbitrary numbers in a t...

Go to advanced search