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by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 23:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8459
Views: 2136814
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Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

. So where are we now with Type 31 build contact 1.25 billion GFE from start 90 million 40 million to cover Covid and inflation 55 million for CEP 600K for S2170 SSTD this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems. ...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 18:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8459
Views: 2136814
France

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

. So where are we now with Type 31 build contact 1.25 billion GFE from start 90 million 40 million to cover Covid and inflation 55 million for CEP 600K for S2170 SSTD this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems. ...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 16:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8459
Views: 2136814
France

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

Can you layout for me the way you got to 500m for MNP No problem. If we can agree that a basic T31 plus GFE comes to ~£350m then add £50m per hull for the redesign from B1 to B2 that’s amounts to ~£400m. The additional fabrication of mission areas, stern ramp, davits etc should amount to at least a...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 14:50
Forum: British Army
Topic: Jackal and Coyote MWMIK (Army)
Replies: 193
Views: 61380
France

Re: Jackal and Coyote MWMIK (Army)

tomuk wrote: 29 Feb 2024, 14:21
Tempest414 wrote: 29 Feb 2024, 10:38 RECCE vehicle used by small fast moving units using cover to spot the enemy without being seen
Sounds like a drone to me.
A fast moving cavalry Platoon mounted on jackal sounds like a drone to you ?
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 12:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thirdly, I think it’s time to stop Kipion. Having a first tier warship on singleton deployments perhaps alongside an amphibious ship in the wider region is more appropriate. I find this concept interesting, in that if we weren’t starting form where we are I would suggested this had much merit. I wo...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8459
Views: 2136814
France

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

…. could be plausible …. It’s more than plausible but I think Babcock have already cleared that up. IMO RN are getting a class of Frigates that are already compromised. Something that was clear from day one with the A140 design. It’s also my opinion that RN do not have the headcount or funding to o...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 10:38
Forum: British Army
Topic: Jackal and Coyote MWMIK (Army)
Replies: 193
Views: 61380
France

Re: Jackal and Coyote MWMIK (Army)

It comes down to use grande dropping drones are good against troops on a front line or convories but Jackal is a RECCE vehicle used by small fast moving units using cover to spot the enemy without being seen
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 10:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thirdly, I think it’s time to stop Kipion. Having a first tier warship on singleton deployments perhaps alongside an amphibious ship in the wider region is more appropriate. I find this concept interesting, in that if we weren’t starting form where we are I would suggested this had much merit. I wo...
by Tempest414
29 Feb 2024, 09:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8459
Views: 2136814
France

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

RN aren't buying ASROC. Thee is nothing to say they're buying CAMM MR or ER. There is also no requirement out there stating that T31 needs to load 32x of a mixture of variant of FCASW. Priorities change. The cells should be fitted now to allow for changing priorities. Look at the difficulty in addi...
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 17:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

To be clear both of these ships have working core RFA crews of 24 to which the RN mission crews are added in theory these mission crew can be moved to other ships if and when needed I’ve seen 57 RFA crew documented for Stirling Castle Is that single or double crew figure I think that is the RN spec...
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 17:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

To be clear both of these ships have working core RFA crews of 24 to which the RN mission crews are added in theory these mission crew can be moved to other ships if and when needed I’ve seen 57 RFA crew documented for Stirling Castle Is that single or double crew figure I think that is the RN spec...
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 16:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Repulse wrote: 28 Feb 2024, 11:40
Tempest414 wrote: 28 Feb 2024, 11:00 To be clear both of these ships have working core RFA crews of 24 to which the RN mission crews are added in theory these mission crew can be moved to other ships if and when needed
I’ve seen 57 RFA crew documented for Stirling Castle
Is that single or double crew figure
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 11:20
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1777
Views: 181443
France

Re: General UK Defence Discussion

tomuk wrote: 27 Feb 2024, 22:14
topman wrote: 27 Feb 2024, 18:55
Who put double glazing in that house without retrofitting lintels?
Most likely the same shit company that turned up at my old unit and charged 10K to do 1K's work
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 11:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You selectively omitted a key phrase and segway above your first quote: "Gives time to the RN to sort its manning issues out rather than compounding them." I.e. before embarking on a major new build program. Apologies, I didn’t mean to misquote you, but I think the new T31 class is simila...
by Tempest414
28 Feb 2024, 09:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

]I actually don't disagree with your high end argument. I'm arguing that you can turn T31 into a pretty strong local area AAW/ASuW frigate/escort (a damn site better than a T23 GP) and task group goalkeeper/potentially networked missile silo. A silk purse from a sow's ear. I also believe that high ...
by Tempest414
27 Feb 2024, 18:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

]I actually don't disagree with your high end argument. I'm arguing that you can turn T31 into a pretty strong local area AAW/ASuW frigate/escort (a damn site better than a T23 GP) and task group goalkeeper/potentially networked missile silo. A silk purse from a sow's ear. I also believe that high ...
by Tempest414
27 Feb 2024, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5439
Views: 1458191
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

So just to keep up with the batch 2 costs to date so we can be clear So this is my understanding T-26B2 contract 4.2 billion Nov 2022 MOD order for 5 Mk-45 MIFS 181 million Feb 2023 MOD order 2150 sonars 30 million June 2023 This makes the unit cost of a Type 26B2 882 million we need to wait and fi...
by Tempest414
27 Feb 2024, 15:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

May be so, but then it was not designed as a dedicated CSG/TAPS escort! It was designed as a GLOBAL COMBAT SHIP, capable of (if not mainly) singleton deployments. One of unintended consequences the cut in T26 numbers “to save money” has left expensively outfitted ships, that in practice may be rest...
by Tempest414
27 Feb 2024, 13:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5439
Views: 1458191
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

So just to keep up with the batch 2 costs to date so we can be clear So this is my understanding T-26B2 contract 4.2 billion Nov 2022 MOD order for 5 Mk-45 MIFS 181 million Feb 2023 MOD order 2150 sonars 30 million June 2023 This makes the unit cost of a Type 26B2 882 million we need to wait and fin...
by Tempest414
27 Feb 2024, 10:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

May be so, but then it was not designed as a dedicated CSG/TAPS escort! It was designed as a GLOBAL COMBAT SHIP, capable of (if not mainly) singleton deployments. One of unintended consequences the cut in T26 numbers “to save money” has left expensively outfitted ships, that in practice may be rest...
by Tempest414
26 Feb 2024, 18:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Not bad. Yes but not great either. Your reasoning is solid but RN has been messing around with these half fixes with suboptimal outcomes for years. It’s difficult to reach any other conclusion apart from the thinking isn’t entirely joined up. It will be interesting to see the Starboard side of the ...
by Tempest414
26 Feb 2024, 11:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Repulse wrote:- £4.2bn for the 5 batch 2 T26s. That figure is an RN provided figure! https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/article/bae-systems-awarded-4-2bn-contract-to-build-five-more-type-26-frigates-in-glasgow Will it still be £4.2bn in 2033? We need to remember the on top of the 4.2 billion for the ...
by Tempest414
26 Feb 2024, 10:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Repulse wrote:- £4.2bn for the 5 batch 2 T26s. That figure is an RN provided figure! https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/article/bae-systems-awarded-4-2bn-contract-to-build-five-more-type-26-frigates-in-glasgow Will it still be £4.2bn in 2033? We need to remember the on top of the 4.2 billion for the ...
by Tempest414
25 Feb 2024, 16:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How would that cost if built in british yard ? Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN So this is my think...
by Tempest414
25 Feb 2024, 16:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19146
Views: 7047305
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How would that cost if built in british yard ? Wonder how much all the desirable sensors & weopons would cost....1/2 to 2/3 of the cost of a T26 Still think there is a need for small number of cheaper ships ( or more investment ) for all the tasks that are demanded of the RN So this is my think...