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by Tempest414
20 Apr 2024, 10:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19360
Views: 9715074
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Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

In an effort to move the discussion along a bit. I am pleased you have conceded that at least in the short term RN must make the most of the T31. That’s progress . Thanks - but be under no illusion it’s fucking stupid how we got where we are. Edit: and if anyone even indirectly suggests we buy more...
by Tempest414
20 Apr 2024, 10:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 19360
Views: 9715074
France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

• Captas 4 for T31s and Captas 2 for the RB2s. What would the point of a towed array on the RB2s be? T31 can either carry weapons it self or an armed helicopter to prosecute the sub, what is a River meant to do? Scare it way just by pinging away on its sonar? A valid tactic I suppose. If they were ...
by Tempest414
19 Apr 2024, 17:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Labour's likely defence policy
Replies: 97
Views: 915
France

Re: Labour's likely defence policy

NHS funding isn't in disarray it is higher than it has ever been, and that includes billions added by the Tories. Most cuts in government spending in the 14 years have been LAs, who are responsible for social care and the roads. That's such a false representation. The NHS is under increasing pressu...
by Tempest414
19 Apr 2024, 12:33
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Labour's likely defence policy
Replies: 97
Views: 915
France

Re: Labour's likely defence policy

NHS funding isn't in disarray it is higher than it has ever been, and that includes billions added by the Tories. Most cuts in government spending in the 14 years have been LAs, who are responsible for social care and the roads. That's such a false representation. The NHS is under increasing pressu...
by Tempest414
19 Apr 2024, 08:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

donald_of_tokyo wrote: 18 Apr 2024, 22:21 Let’s not forget the inflation. Significant it is, especially from late 2022. If comparing cost figures, we need to “correct” them.
Remember that the Batch 2 order was signed in Nov 22 also I am not comparing costs just laying out what was said and what has happened
by Tempest414
18 Apr 2024, 18:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...
by Tempest414
15 Apr 2024, 10:51
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Labour's likely defence policy
Replies: 97
Views: 915
France

Re: Labour's likely defence policy

Anyone here follow this podcast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1adaPHQLc5w Listening to the Shadow Defense minister this morning on the news and he had a lot of nothing to say, no commitments to anything sadly. A few takeaway points of Labours plan. Building a strong UK Home defence, whatever tha...
by Tempest414
14 Apr 2024, 11:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

A GP frigate for at least half the price or more can provide a good level of ASW with a TAS and it doesn't need to be modularised. But would your GP frigate actually catch any submarines? If the chances of that are tiny, it's wasted money. There a lots of frigates and destroyers around the world fi...
by Tempest414
12 Apr 2024, 10:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

As the cost of type 26 B2's carries on climbing if we want ASW hunter killers then maybe more SSN's would be better The cost isn’t climbing - but yes a few (2-3) more T26s and a few more SSNs would be ideal - however believe it or not the crewing issues are easier to solve above water currently. OK...
by Tempest414
11 Apr 2024, 09:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Any illusion that build a new “cheaper” (read compromised) class in a multi-national program and it will be a success is just that, an illusion - albeit sadly one that the Treasury will believe. Are you suggesting the Australians have got it completely wrong with their smaller, more numerous ASW ve...
by Tempest414
11 Apr 2024, 09:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

It’s a fair point, but the last thing we need is another class of ASW frigate I’m not suggesting it’s the best direction of travel but the benefits are clear. • A joint £5bn program with a NATO member to produce 10x next-gen GP Frigates optimised for off-board systems including ASW. • Rosyth is sec...
by Tempest414
10 Apr 2024, 20:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 5669
Views: 1484567
France

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Even with the substantial hike in defence spending, is the Royal Norwegian Navy realistically going to be able to afford 5 x T26? It seems to me that it might be worth them considering either a 2 + 3 or a 3 + 2 mix with T31. Alternatively, 5 x FREMM or similar. 5 FDI or joining the new danish navy ...
by Tempest414
09 Apr 2024, 19:16
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153189
France

Re: The future form of the Army

“What will win any war in the the high North will Logistics and we know that is a big failing in the Russian army 2 years into a major land war and there still not on top of it” If this is the lesson we need to heed then surely we should be significantly expanding our current supporting arms just t...
by Tempest414
09 Apr 2024, 12:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153189
France

Re: The future form of the Army

“What will win any war in the the high North will Logistics and we know that is a big failing in the Russian army 2 years into a major land war and there still not on top of it” If this is the lesson we need to heed then surely we should be significantly expanding our current supporting arms just t...
by Tempest414
08 Apr 2024, 10:12
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153189
France

Re: The future form of the Army

“What will win any war in the the high North will Logistics and we know that is a big failing in the Russian army 2 years into a major land war and there still not on top of it” If this is the lesson we need to heed then surely we should be significantly expanding our current supporting arms just t...
by Tempest414
07 Apr 2024, 23:15
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153189
France

Re: The future form of the Army

“What will win any war in the the high North will Logistics and we know that is a big failing in the Russian army 2 years into a major land war and there still not on top of it” If this is the lesson we need to heed then surely we should be significantly expanding our current supporting arms just t...
by Tempest414
07 Apr 2024, 18:59
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 665
Views: 153189
France

Re: The future form of the Army

Moved across. For me as said Army can have 3 Divisions with 9 Brigades 1st Division with 3 Light Mech brigades 3rd Division with 2 x Combined armed brigades 6th Division with 16AA , Rangers , 11th SFA , SF brigade The key will be the 3 Light Mech Brigades and what vehicles they have for me one of t...
by Tempest414
07 Apr 2024, 16:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1861991
France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The RM if it goes with the idea of LSU's with 2 strike companies then with 2 coming together the RM could fight at battle group level supported by 28 & 29 Cdo

also with 4 x 100m SLS's operating with a Point class acting as a logistics hub they can move a lot of kit if needed
by Tempest414
07 Apr 2024, 15:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1861991
France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

For me as said Army can have 3 Divisions with 9 Brigades 1st Division with 3 Light Mech brigades 3rd Division with 2 x Combined armed brigades 6th Division with 16AA , Rangers , 11th SFA , SF brigade The key will be the 3 Light Mech Brigades and what vehicles they have for me one of them should be b...
by Tempest414
03 Apr 2024, 16:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Replies: 8490
Views: 2192747
France

Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

In real terms we should be thanking the Houthi's for allowing us to test our ships
by Tempest414
03 Apr 2024, 15:57
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Post-war British Aviation - [Fantasy and Speculation]
Replies: 32
Views: 2551
France

Re: Post-war British Aviation - [Fantasy and Speculation]

The decision to delete sea harrier was in 2005 and implemented in 2006 so long gone by sdsr 2010. So that tweet is conflating several things. The real question is should fa2 sea harrier ever been started. They should have gone for the av8b with the blue vixen radar and used it both in the RN and th...
by Tempest414
03 Apr 2024, 14:52
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Post-war British Aviation - [Fantasy and Speculation]
Replies: 32
Views: 2551
France

Re: Post-war British Aviation - [Fantasy and Speculation]

The decision to delete sea harrier was in 2005 and implemented in 2006 so long gone by sdsr 2010. So that tweet is conflating several things. The real question is should fa2 sea harrier ever been started. They should have gone for the av8b with the blue vixen radar and used it both in the RN and th...
by Tempest414
03 Apr 2024, 12:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1861991
France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

As I have said before NATO needs to re shape its self with Norway , Sweden and Finland forming 1st & 2rd Nordic Corp's and the UK , Holland , Denmark , and the Baltic states forming 1st Baltic Corps 1st Baltic Corps could bring to battlefield 4 x Armoured brigades , 3 x Deep fires Brigades &...
by Tempest414
02 Apr 2024, 22:40
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: General UK Defence Discussion
Replies: 1901
Views: 252930
France

Re: General UK Defence Discussion

Too many wasters, too few good candidates or a bit of both? Both, pretty equal split IME. I have... Loads of applicants are deluded. Loads of applicants apply drunk onlinw with no intention of following through. Loads simply don't respond to emails or calls. Loads are fat, druggies, thick etc.... T...
by Tempest414
02 Apr 2024, 17:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 6128
Views: 1861991
France

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 16:41
Tempest414 wrote: 02 Apr 2024, 14:15 Maybe the RM could do with some CAMM capable Vikings
Why RM?

It needs to be British Army now.
OK 3 Cdo and 29 RA Cdo could do with few GBAD Vikings