So your saying technically we could just carry on building with Australia,the systems might have to be different and not American.....it would cost alot more and take longer to build for both countries , but technically we could do it ,heck shame we couldn't offer Canada some also 😂 , except don't ...

Just a quick second thoughts, hypertheticaly if say trump did pull out of AUKUS deal to supply Australia with American submarines , does UK have the ability to joint build with Australia, with UK systems,not sure about American agreement on tech nuclear shares on power plants though, wether it ...

More potentially odd news out of Denmark, after the IH announcement they are now apparently buying NASAMS, IRIS T and MICA for SHORAD.

Bazza wrote: 11 Jun 2025, 22:01 I say we buy 6 on the cheap.

Unless Northrop have already built 4 extra radars they won't come cheap.

End of a whole era of UK ship/weapons last ships with Sea Dart and the classic Type909 tracker radomes.

Totally sceptical about RAF F35A need tbh ,......in a few years " theoretically" or should I say in a certain time span the RAF would be getting a new long range gcap 6 th gen fighter.....now they wanting a F35A 5 th gen longer range fighter to basically do the same job ,,ok not with same range or ...

IHs don't use Thales CMS they use Terma C flex


https://www.terma.com/media/bqshqbk5/42819-terma-c-flex-combat-a4-v6-low.pdf
So the ship uses both (as it is also noted in the official TACTICOS website). Not impossible, can happen.

For example, they can (in principle) integrate TACTICOS CMS ...

Flipping heck, so they bought the radar from Thales but not the CMS, I thought that was a uniquely British defence acquisition strategy. It would explain why the Germans and Netherlands navies have not has the same issues on their side.

I wonder why they can't bring Thales in to upgrade the ...

Flipping heck, so they bought the radar from Thales but not the CMS, I thought that was a uniquely British defence acquisition strategy. It would explain why the Germans and Netherlands navies have not has the same issues on their side.

I wonder why they can't bring Thales in to upgrade the CMS ...

From the navalnews article above

However, also as per the recommendation of the Chief of Defence, the Iver Huitfeldt-class ships should not be scrapped or sold, but rather be repurposed. Specifically, the ships should have their sensor and weapons capabilities scaled down, and be turned into long ...

Iver Huitfeldt class was built cheap, and to achieve it, its weapons systems are largely integrated by Danish navy themselves. In other words, the systems integration was done on Navy's own responsibility.

My speculation, from here .....

I guess this happens because the engineers of the navy ...

If the weapons 'system' is irreparable I can't see how ripping it all out and fitting something turnkey could possibly more expensive than buying new ships. They also want to keep the Absolons for ASW but bin off the IHs completely. This just looks like Admirals wanting new shiny ships.

There was the Indonesian concept of a bow stretch AH140 and adding a VLS there.

Did think of that but it's much harder to splice a Shipbucket image there because you'd need a new VLS silo.
Like I said, the whole idea's flawed and that's why I came up with the Maya based 'AH170'.

Is the ...

I don't know, 20 more meters is a lot more generators, boat bay's and VLS.

It is also a lot of length/beam ratio not included in the original structural calculations, both in terms of hydrodynamic forces and strength of the ship. As an example, I've spliced in a second amidships section to one ...

Ron5 wrote: 07 Jun 2025, 16:17 Don't buy Mk 41, the RN has nothing to put in it.

Don't buy missile X because it only fits in a mk 41 which the RN doesn't have.

Boring.

What about this to peak your interest. Artisan being installed on a new ship class.

Correct. Safe to assume that NS110 works with TACTICOS as does Mk41. LM has done the integration between Mk41 and ExLS and MBDA/LM have integrated CAMM with ExLS.

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Have LM and MBDA integrated with a CMS or Radar? Have they integrated it on a functioning ...

Ron5 wrote: 07 Jun 2025, 13:18 Just delete the whole conversation - it's boring.

I know we've already had the same conversation at least once or twice. Any topics you want to discuss?

No you're missing the point. Thales have never integrated all those components.

...and they're doing it for CAMM and CAMM-MR in Mk41 for the Polish Miecznik class based on A140 for entry into service in 2028

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How is CAMM-MR development going? Does it even ...

Correct. Safe to assume that NS110 works with TACTICOS as does Mk41. LM has done the integration between Mk41 and ExLS and MBDA/LM have integrated CAMM with ExLS.

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Have LM and MBDA integrated with a CMS or Radar? Have they integrated it on a functioning ...

No you're missing the point. Thales have never integrated all those components.


I though Thales had already intergating most of that kit on the dutch air defence ship
(ambit not the NS110,but a update radar kit it supply's. So abit of software tweeking required there.

Only camm missiles needs ...

If they'd actually retrofitted the 16 Mk41s on the T45s as provisioned for rather than the 24 CAMM farm they could have had 64 CAMM or 32 CAMM and 8 'strike'....seeing as they want now to target the archer before he shoots his arrows.

But hey, they knew better.

If they actually got on ...

If they'd actually retrofitted the 16 Mk41s on the T45s as provisioned for rather than the 24 CAMM farm they could have had 64 CAMM or 32 CAMM and 8 'strike'....seeing as they want now to target the archer before he shoots his arrows.

But hey, they knew better.

If they actually got on with ...

Looks like Sylver system will be a Type 45 only, will this mean the end of Aster as well?

And MBDA?


Why it would be the end of MBDA?


France and Italy would be fine with the UK buying into the Standard missile family?


Is Aster the only MBDA product that UK is using or developing ...

If they'd actually retrofitted the 16 Mk41s on the T45s as provisioned for rather than the 24 CAMM farm they could have had 64 CAMM or 32 CAMM and 8 'strike'....seeing as they want now to target the archer before he shoots his arrows.

But hey, they knew better.

If they actually got on with ...

If they'd actually retrofitted the 16 Mk41s on the T45s as provisioned for rather than the 24 CAMM farm they could have had 64 CAMM or 32 CAMM and 8 'strike'....seeing as they want now to target the archer before he shoots his arrows.

But hey, they knew better.

If they actually got on with ...