BAE are only building the new construction hall because the government have allowed it in the contract for the new batch. If the government want T26 them every 48 months and the blockage is say the need for another panel line at Govan, it will be the government deciding on whether that investment i...

Tempest414 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 17:59 The other way is to get Babcocks to build 2 ship in half parts and move them to BAE to be put together and fitted out

What does that do to the efficiency of prefitting out the modules\halves during build rather than after?

BAE are only building the new construction hall because the government have allowed it in the contract for the new batch. If the government want T26 them every 48 months and the blockage is say the need for another panel line at Govan, it will be the government deciding on whether that investment i...

I also wonder how well a Type 31 would have done in shooting down an incoming ballistic missile (see latest RN news). I also wonder how it has now become acceptable to fire ballistic missiles at commercial vessels and the only thing that is discussed is the success of shooting it down. It’s difficu...

But if the government hasn't got £500m that is the problem. Doesn't matter. At some point, the cost per year saturates. And, that is HMG's business, not related to BAESs. BAES can start hull-1 slowly (to compensate slow pay), but make it needing only 48 months in later hulls. This is exactly why BA...

But if the government hasn't got £500m that is the problem. Doesn't matter. At some point, the cost per year saturates. And, that is HMG's business, not related to BAESs. BAES can start hull-1 slowly (to compensate slow pay), but make it needing only 48 months in later hulls. This is exactly why BA...

I find odd we are putting our gun platform on wheels and our missile platform on tracks. You would think it should be either the other way round or all on wheels MLRS was acquired by the UK over 30 years ago. Are you suggesting that because the new SPG is on wheels, the UK should dispose of its MLR...

Building slow and building in low drumbeat are two different things. UK can build a frigate within 48 months, yet build them in 2 years (24 months) drumbeat. Why building in slow drumbeat is understandable = total mass of destroyer and frigate (19) divided by its average age (of 30-34). Why buildin...

I suspect the speed limit on boat 1 was first of class issues and re-generating the workforce On Boat 2 to 3 it was / is Production facilities - non undercover working, lack of an automated plate line etc From boat 4 onwards it should be basically limited by government cashflow And all of the issue...

Building slow and building in low drumbeat are two different things. UK can build a frigate within 48 months, yet build them in 2 years (24 months) drumbeat. Why building in slow drumbeat is understandable = total mass of destroyer and frigate (19) divided by its average age (of 30-34). Why buildin...

BB85 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 13:54 Interesting that Krauss-Maffei Wegmann has merged with Nexter, that will certainly help them when it comes to pursuing a future European MBT and other armoured vehicles and might explain why Rheinmetall is keen to have closer ties on future UK projects.

Nexter and KMW happened 8 years ago.

Building slow and building in low drumbeat are two different things. UK can build a frigate within 48 months, yet build them in 2 years (24 months) drumbeat. Why building in slow drumbeat is understandable = total mass of destroyer and frigate (19) divided by its average age (of 30-34). Why buildin...

There is more to it than just the unit price. If we consolidate the fleet around boxer we are benefitting from reduced logistics, training, servicing costs, there will also be more UK content from an industrial perspective. K9 and Archer would have been foreign orders with UK assembly, requiring be...

Generally makes a lot of sense. Uses a German engine made by a Rolls Royce subsidiary, A Swedish gun made by a BAE subsidiary, Mounted on a German chassis that can be built from scratch by another BAE subsidiary (admittedly only 45%) in the UK. If there can be time spent on the tracked version pitc...

defence spending profile to 2030-31 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 2028-29 2029-30 2030-31 spending (£bn) 2 64.63 67.5 71.0 74.5 78.2 82.5 87.1 % of GDP 2.32% 2.35% 2.38% 2.41% 2.44% 2.47% 2.50% UK GDP forecasts (£bn) 2,786 2,875 2,985 3,094 3,207 3,342 3,483 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u...

From the Prime Minister's speech announcing the £75bn in Warsaw Modernising our Armed Forces: Radically reforming defence procurement and creating a new Defence Innovation Agency to ensure the UK is at the cutting edge of modern warfare technology, with at least 5% of the defence budget to be commit...

Agree 100% with both posts with the exception of last part re FFBNW. FFBNW was acceptable during period of peace. But with Global tensions rising thanks to Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, together with proxy states, we can no longer risk it to the previous extent. Building one additional of bo...

Ron5 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2024, 13:44 Is this a phony celebration for PR purposes?

In what way? To cover the fact that astute deliveries are so slow? To give a push to the current t government in the lead up to the looming election? All the boats have had a similar light show naming event nothing new in what occurred.

Is this a foreshadowing of a future class an their loyal wingman UUVs? Or am I thinking of Seaquest DSV. Right 90s SciFi reminiscence at the moment with the naming of the latest astute after EAS Agamemnon from Babylon 5.

For me if we can take the Falklands as a case I would like to see a CAMM battery on MP airfield and a land based Type 45 system with Aster 30 on Mount Adam West Falklands we also need to be thinking hard about the low end and for me we need to be looking a 6 round rapid ranger system with a 25 or 3...

https://www.navylookout.com/snapshot-the-royal-navy-escort-fleet-in-april-2024/ Depressing situation and a reminder that we have a lot to do to get the 16 FFs/DDs (ignoring HMS Westminster) crewed and in better shape before we get excited about expansion. Somerset is a big disappointment for me - I...

For me if we can take the Falklands as a case I would like to see a CAMM battery on MP airfield and a land based Type 45 system with Aster 30 on Mount Adam West Falklands we also need to be thinking hard about the low end and for me we need to be looking a 6 round rapid ranger system with a 25 or 3...

Of course, but this is only one model - we should be looking at mobile radars also. The point being that we can adjust our response to the threat level and location, not only for the UK but BOTs such as Cyprus and also supporting allies. There will be cases where the radar and launcher are most eff...

Why not do it to all five? and buy five more. You obsession with doing down T31 is ridiculous, sell two for tuppence ha'penny to fund nothing. Because without new money we can’t modify the three and if sold straight from the production line it will be more than if we tie them up alongside for a few...

Of course, but this is only one model - we should be looking at mobile radars also. The point being that we can adjust our response to the threat level and location, not only for the UK but BOTs such as Cyprus and also supporting allies. There will be cases where the radar and launcher are most eff...