Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑03 Dec 2023, 23:29

Again, what are the frigates doing in the Baltic? Shadowing doesn’t require a Frigate.

Do OPVs or other axillaries have any anti submarine capability?

The Baltic issues are attacks on underwater pipelines and cables. -> ASW

In the Red Sea it is missile\rocket attacks from UAVs -> AAW

Sadly, I fear with the current Government (and any future Labour Gpvernment), even this won't move the dial beyond some token words. No long term increases im defence spending or better management of defence spending The overstretched nature of the escort fleet will soon become abundantly clear to ...

With the anticipated upgrades (more CAMM, NSM and MK41), aren't the T31's becoming part of the fighting fleet? Yes they are, but two things - - the fighting fleet should not be permanently forward based to the four winds, they should be UK based ready to surge to troubled regions as a fighting forc...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑01 Dec 2023, 21:46

• The OPV MAX at £150m is £40k per tonne.

On what basis?

Not seen this before - Stingray for Poseidon https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-chooses-uk-manufactured-sting-ray-torpedo-for-poseidon-fleet/ The interesting thing will be if a wing kit is developed for it.... Sounds like a good idea, we really do need another 3 Poseidon to make a viable flee...

Wow actually a sound and sensible decision! Truth is it never made any sense to use Mk.54. It seriously underperforms compared to Stingray Mod 1, and torpedo's are massively expensive....we've got literally hundreds of Stingray in stock already...with T26 not getting MTLS we've got huge numbers of ...

The truth is fitting 32 Mk-41's will not make T-31 a C1 ship but more a high end C2 ship which… Is a target. Just build more T26s if your objective is to end up with a war fighting ship that has qualitative advantage over numerically superior forces. Back to your prejudices against T31 and for OPVs.

The C1 vessel should be able to defend a task force against multiple high intensity air, surface and sub surface attacks. An area defence. The C2 vessel should be to defend itself and whatever it maybe escorting against an air surface or subsurface attack. A local defence. On that definition both T...

The hull is not where the cost is in such a vessel and the roles dictate crew numbers. If a C2 design can be built for £100mn, have a core crew of @40 and an availability of 80% I’m all ears. But what capability has it got? it isn't all about cost, crew and availability, the ship has to do something.

The fwd deployed SLOC/ maritime security task is very similar to what we are doing with SNGM2 and TF151 in the gulf and the very recently announced task group in the JEF area arguably the old SNMG1which HMS Richmond is deploying too. It’s the ability to deploy an escort with a command team and brin...

Well if you forget equipment for a second and put yourself in a long term government position. If you have limited funds what do you invest in to ensure the future prosperity of the country. Do you invest in the ability to engage with allies and to ensure the free movement of goods and material at ...

If you consider the task of fwd presence a priority then you prioritise funds to it. I see it as a limited priority, but it should not be at the expense of being able to react and surge forces to match events. We have different views, but that’s why I believe OPVs/minor warships for presence and fr...

highlighted the progress made since the contract amendment in September

What is this contract amendment for? Does it effect the fixed price nature of the contract?

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑25 Nov 2023, 11:59

This approach isn’t revolutionary.

What is the relvance of the horizon class? the gun fit is slightly different between French and Italian vessels but it is 2-3 76mm and 2-3 20/25mm (ignoring the missile fit). Not sure that is equivalent to a 57mm and 40mm mix.

More Arafura-class progress. It’s an interesting design but does Australia really need 14 of these? Yes, if anything the RAN need more than that also ice strengthened for southern ocean patrolling If you look at the history the RAN had 20 Attack class PB which were replaced by 14 Fremantle Class(30...

The only threat to the OPV that I can see would be some sort of production issue that makes a return to more Cape Class patrol boats more cost-effective. A more expensive design would be just as likely to trigger that sort of drama, I think. The Cape class is still in production right now, so it wo...

More Arafura-class progress. It’s an interesting design but does Australia really need 14 of these? Yes, if anything the RAN need more than that also ice strengthened for southern ocean patrolling If you look at the history the RAN had 20 Attack class PB which were replaced by 14 Fremantle Class(30...

More Arafura-class progress. It’s an interesting design but does Australia really need 14 of these? Yes, if anything the RAN need more than that also ice strengthened for southern ocean patrolling If you look at the history the RAN had 20 Attack class PB which were replaced by 14 Fremantle Class(30...

Very similar to T23 installation where the 'mushroom stalks' are canted over slightly so any misfires will fall overboard.

The Royal Navy wants the Mk 41 on the Type 31 and Babcock are also finalising design activities including integration of Mk 41 VLS but it seems like we are unwilling to take the final step and announce that its going to happen. I guess it start off a bunch of other stuff as we would need for it to ...

No one has said anything about them getting rid of there fleets yes the UK would give engineering support and Command in the early days however there could and should be a proper training and command program that could and would lead to better trained people across there own navies No objection. Fo...

it is it's operating cost and more importantly than that availability. The more complex and more maintenance intensive the lower it's value as an asset compared to a normal escort. This is the entire value of the River class. The procurement of the OPVs was a disaster, but by chance of Frigate and ...

Why if there is a shortage of escorts do we need to build more OPVs? Surely Rosyth should be building more T31 to fill the gap off a hot production line in 2026 not switching to some unknown OPV or Amphibious ship that isn't even on the drawing board. If the 1SL needs more ASW Frigates then more T3...

Interesting but I took it a bit differently. It sounded to me that there is now an expectation that another class of OPV’s will be required to fill the gaps as the two new Frigate classes start to come online. It also seemed likely that more T23’s wouldn’t reach their respective OSD from what was s...

The select committee session with the Def Secretary was interesting regards Typhoon. He said that a route was available to get the Saudi order sorted out but was very coy as to what it was. It sounded as though negotiations were at a delicate point. Is there a quid pro quo to be had with Germany. W...