The amount of back and forth on the T31 means the following must be done to settle the matter once and for all!! Order 3 more Type 31 for a total of 8, with 4 being the original GP, the 4 being 2 ASW and 2 AAW. Frigates 3 and 4 can be ASW and AAW, the second "batch" of 4 can be the remain...

... with the possible T26 hulls being transfered to norway ? Just one hull actually, either Belfast (3rd) or Birmingham (4th). Articles suggest at least one Show where. The Telegraph article linked to up thread for one, it uses the phase 'at least' a number of times. The article also talks about fo...

NHS funding isn't in disarray it is higher than it has ever been, and that includes billions added by the Tories. Most cuts in government spending in the 14 years have been LAs, who are responsible for social care and the roads. That's such a false representation. The NHS is under increasing pressu...

IF norway do sign on dotted line .. how quickly & would it be feasable to explore the rafting & quieting the hull & hull mounted sonar @ VDS for 2 or 3 second batch of T31 for exclusivly CSG duties for delivery early 2030's to help with the possible T26 hulls being transfered to norway ...

sol wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 21:53

serge750 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 20:42 ... with the possible T26 hulls being transfered to norway ?

Just one hull actually, either Belfast (3rd) or Birmingham (4th).

Articles suggest at least one

There are only two yards that can integrate a complex warship - Scotstoun and Rosyth. And part of Rosyth is needed anyway to refit the carriers. We shall see how much of T31 is integrated at Rosyth rather than Devonport. H&W are building a diverse marine engineering business including refit, of...

Will the Norwegians really want to replace 4 (+ scrapped Helge Ingstad) GP frigates with 5 ASW? They, more than many, appreciate the Russian threat but is that enough to so radically change their approach to fleet composition? It's not as if they currently have a mix of frigate types. The cynic in ...

Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to rebuild capability, Cammells/A&P would love the work if it is at no risk to them, SDA virtually bankrupted them again. A bit of subbing is fine, but the risk goes up the bigger the blocks are. As for Fergusons I wouldn't touch that dumpster fire with ...

You would need to overlook where the linage of commandos come from in 41 formed for the raids on the Norwegian and French coasts. Why start the clock in 1941? The commando raids and the invasion of Norway was all Britain could achieve at the time and Churchill wanted “action this day”. RM needs to ...

Because the public accounts are FUBAR….. It’s not that simple. HMG has little fiscal headroom because it is choosing not to reallocate funding to different priority areas. UK GDP is now more than £2.2Trillion. Government spending equates to around 45% of that figure. That’s a lot of money that coul...

Rome wasn't built in a day it takes time to rebuild capability, Cammells/A&P would love the work if it is at no risk to them, SDA virtually bankrupted them again. A bit of subbing is fine, but the risk goes up the bigger the blocks are. As for Fergusons I wouldn't touch that dumpster fire with ...

We've already lost Westminster of the T23ASW, and Monmouth, Montrose and v likely Argyll of the T23GPs. All before delivery of any T26 or T31. True. But would they be crewed if they hadn't been lost? The 3 x GPs will be covered by T31, all of which are scheduled to be delivered by 2030. If we've al...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 19:09

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 18:21 The fleet will be looking more and more like the Australian one post review

Meaning?

The T31s are not Corvettes.

Neither are the Mogamis, but the Navantia Alphas are. The RAN/Aus MOD has some choices to make.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s. Never going to happen, What is more likely, much to your annoyance, is that T31 B2 goes ahead, keeps Babcock busy and could alleviate the shortfal...

mrclark303 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 17:54

We absolutely require a proper SDSR to reflect the radically changed world situation since the last review.

What has changed since the Integrated Review Refresh 2023?

new guy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 17:44 Anyone else found multiple posts here deleted?

Yes

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

I thought the problem was that they couldn't be built long enough in that location due to some historically valuable buildings behind. Apologies - I'm not explaining very well. I'm not suggesting extending the original sheds (red outline), but covering the area (yellow outline) currently used for o...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/15/bae-pushes-to-delay-royal-navy-frigate-to-prioritise-norway/ BAE pushes to delay Royal Navy frigate to prioritise Norway deal Bid to sell submarine-hunting warships to Norway hinges on Royal Navy accepting delays This is completely impossible the T23 ...

These OPV+ are definitely NOT an escort but would in themsrlves be freeing up more escorts to do higher intensity warfighting escort missions rather than being sidetracked to cover OPV / HADR missions that escorts are today being sidetracked to. Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cov...

These OPV+ are definitely NOT an escort but would in themsrlves be freeing up more escorts to do higher intensity warfighting escort missions rather than being sidetracked to cover OPV / HADR missions that escorts are today being sidetracked to. Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cov...

Reading the DevonLive article it says about the previous closure

Appledore was bought by Harland and Wolff after former owner Babcock closed it in 2019 when it lost its contract with an Italian shipbuilding company Fincantieri.

Any idea what this contract was?

It’s a question of priorities: 1- More P8, ideally increase to 16 2- Maximise T31 and build 8 3- More SSN, aim for 12, start asap 4- More T26 only if HMG commits to 3% GDP 5- T32 but not before mid/late 2030s In that order IMO In a perfect world the optimum escort mix is: • 12x AAW Destroyers (T45/...