Scimitar54 wrote: ↑01 Jun 2022, 23:35 A third QEC. How about HMS Churchill (R10)

Perhaps a tad ambitious but for the £250m budgeted the UK could build something very much resembling HMS Ocean.

Now that really would be dual use.

Actually I think Donald’s canister launched Sea Venom-ER has a lot of merit if technically feasible. MBDA aready lists Sea Venom as having “Options exist for surface to surface variants”. Giving the T31 the option of embarking up to 16 canister launched dual use anti-ship/land attack missiles with a...

What is stopping us fitting something like this……9.5 x 3 meter…….11 x 3.5 meter Good question. This technological leap will not come cheap but RN seems caught up in endless feasibility studies which in the end result in more feasibility studies. It seems like an endless loop in which the ultimate g...

Interesting development, up to 60knts is impressive. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/05/turkeys-new-armed-usv-salvo-passes-initial-firing-trials/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEyZrm2IeaA A RN equivalent with Sea Spear would be a useful asset. Also interesting that neither the T26 or T32 c...

Scimitar54 wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 11:47 Maybe a 60% availability rate ? With Modules being installed on the “Available Vessels”

Would it be worth the hassle and expense for £400k?

Tempest414 wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 11:26 or just to cover the first 3 hulls

Perhaps but all other systems up to this point have been procured for all five vessels.

At £200k each why only three?

Is this the first sign of a split weapons load out for the T31?

The point of a Osumi class is it is a LPD with a flat top which has a lift but no dedicated hangar as we know MRSS stands for Multi Role Support Ship and it should be just that it should be a ship that can be used to support Exactly. If the MRSS programme retains this as its guiding principle the e...

Balance is required and you have it about right. Adequate size is also vital. A 50% increase in numbers (apart from the OPVs) should just about achieve it. Completely agree but it would also require a 50% increase in the defence budget. That would amount to approximately 3.5% of UK GDP which even i...

It is my view if type 32 does go ahead that it should be a Absalon class ship capable of carrying 160 troops 2 Merlin's or 4 Wildcats plus up to 6 ORC. it should be armed with 1 x 127mm , 2 x 40mm , 24 CAMM + 24 Mk-41 this paired with a remodeled Osumi class with a 180 x 30 flight deck with a slimm...

For MRSS, how about Osumi-class like ship? IMO until the FCF concept is actually explained in detail the MRSS direction of travel is highly questionable. Due to this the configuration of the MRSS is highly debatable and will be for some time. Displacement 13,000 t (13,000 long tons) full load Size ...

The HN v2 looks to be extremely well balanced, the T31 not so much….

wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑18 May 2022, 17:34 Well you just quoted one line of what I said. I used the words "clearly" as I don't believe that RN needs a LPD dedicated to anti aircraft defence!!!!

No argument there.

IMO we’ve already got sufficient platforms for ship deployed large drones given our current budgets, priorities and aspirations. Sorry but I have to disagree. The CVFs aside the UK doesn’t have a vessel with a flat top suitable for operating medium or large MALE drones. HMS Ocean fully loaded with ...

Clearly not what RN needs… Is it clear? Perhaps not in the Amphibious sense but modest flat tops with a modest floodable well dock could become much more common as unmanned system start to proliferate. Although Amphibious vessels are capable of deploying these rapidly evolving autonomous systems it...

By not building the T32… What is a T32? Could they be the same thing? For example, most expect the T32 to be an escort with both ASW and land attack capabilities that is also capable of operating next generation UAV’s, UUV’s and USV’s plus a single helicopter. Likely budget around £500m per hull or...

But this means RN cannot invest more on "LSDs" or large "LHDs with dock" Not necessarily. Very clearly an LPH or LHD is optimised for helicopters. Completely designing assault ships for exclusively operating helicopters is the past and the present but certainly not the future. I...

The recent Russian catastrophe crossing a river is for me a prime example of what can happen when forces are grouped at the point of entry and why neutralisation of defences and air superiority is essential before you can even consider landing a significant force over the beach. This is one of the ...

donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑13 May 2022, 00:04

that was the excuse that the Marina Militare (Italian Navy) came up with for not buying the CAMM-ER because for safety reasons it's wasn't compatible with the Sylver VLS for the new European Corvette Program.

Very interesting info. Thanks!

How does that affect the possibility of quad packing?

True, but not necessarily the whizz bang Amphibious Assault shipping that some have described on this thread previously - more smaller FCF platforms suited for smaller raiding / insertion ops in the Baltics and Norwegian fjords with amphibious logistics to move large army groups into position quick...

Repulse wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 12:07 …JEF is and will be increasingly a key part of the UKs NATO commitment.

Which will require substantially more Amphibious shipping than transporting/deploying a FCF Company for short endurance Littoral Strike Ops.

jedibeeftrix wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 09:19 do we know what the way forward is with FCF, such that we can pronounce with confidence on whether we are deviating from the dream or otherwise?

And how does adding Sweden and Finland to the NATO umbrella change the scale of the ambition?

Jdam wrote: ↑11 May 2022, 16:07 No mid missile launchers?

Is there still space for 64 quad packed CAMM (or equivalent) forward of the Mk41 cells?

I cannot see the planned MRSS turning out to be mini flat tops operating squadrons of UAS. Impossible to predict either way at present but it’s clear current concepts for the MRSS such as Ellida have little capacity for embarking medium to large drones or even helicopters. MRSS still looks like it ...

The US has previously gone for very capable but very epensive drones. Primarily for conflicts against insurgents rather than a peer on peer conflict. Against a peer rival the high rate of attrition of such valuable assets would in all likelihood be unsustainable for the UK. Ideally the UK can devel...