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by shark bait
27 Mar 2020, 21:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1114
Views: 139847
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

They could probably be built at Cammell Lairds They could, but I feel like that's setting yourself up to fail. The MOD could create enough demand for 2 shipyards, but not three, so it's paying to start up production, then paying again to shut it down. Plus, remember CL didn't have the credentials t...
by shark bait
27 Mar 2020, 08:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1114
Views: 139847
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Its unlikely the Navy will gets its FSS within foreseeable future because there's no where to build it. Based on industrial capacity, the sensible thing is build these after the T31 build has complete, which pushes the date out towards 2030, which is a long time to wait. If the ships are still neede...
by shark bait
23 Mar 2020, 11:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1114
Views: 139847
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

No need to put fuel stores in there, takes up too much room, and storing ammunition next to fuel is a bit of an arse.
by shark bait
23 Mar 2020, 09:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 241
Views: 49224
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Dahedd wrote:I think this disaster presents the Govt with a perfect opportunity to get 1 or 2 built

Very wishful thinking. In a years time people still wont case about shipbuilding, let alone a hospital ship.
by shark bait
19 Mar 2020, 11:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1114
Views: 139847
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Doesn't sound that bad. It still sound like a big stores ship, with a couple of fancy features to bolt on other tasks. A big vehicle deck is still able to hold stores for a carrier after all. It sounds possible to build a multi role vessel that doesn't compromise the replenishment capability too muc...
by shark bait
19 Mar 2020, 10:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 574941
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

"save the day" on Rosyth, between 2028 to 2033, will be of very high priority. I can see no other big chance, at least for now. This is why the whole shipbuilding 'strategy' is fundamentally flawed. There is little market for complete frigates, the demand only comes from a couple of small...
by shark bait
25 Feb 2020, 07:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If you're swapping the propulsion you may as well start from scratch. It's a massive change, and there is no benefit to it. Furthermore there it's a great benefit having a quiet destroyer, I can't imagine it would worth the engineering cost to redesign every mounting point only to save spending on a...
by shark bait
24 Feb 2020, 08:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3142
Views: 330373
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQb8hrqWsAAAncP?format=jpg&name=medium Very good shot! I thought the same when it appeared in my feed. I also thought how poor the superstructure design is, that's a big chunk of space just for a couple of RIHBs Compare it to a similar sized Spanish patrol vessel; ht...
by shark bait
24 Feb 2020, 08:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think, T4X shall better be new design hull. T26 got export means BAES's ship design team is not bad. If UK stop developing new hull, these expertise will disappear. A clean sheet design would be such a waste of money. No company would ever drop a perfectly good product because it didn't generate ...
by shark bait
24 Feb 2020, 08:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Caribbean wrote:Babcocks own all the rights to the future development of the T31.

Where have you seen that please?
by shark bait
24 Feb 2020, 08:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6395
Views: 574941
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

integrated masts Where are you getting an integrated mast from? Not a T31 feature is it? Weren't the French selling exports ships where the locals would build the hull and all the sophisticated bits would come nearly packaged and ready to 'plug n' play' from France. Can't remember which country (po...
by shark bait
24 Feb 2020, 07:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 53
Views: 13857
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

SW1 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51451577


A couple of boats like these is the future of sub hunting in the North.
by shark bait
31 Jan 2020, 08:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3994
Views: 411317
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

There's only one Bloke working on it, give him a chance!
by shark bait
31 Jan 2020, 07:59
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1007
Views: 142783
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

That's exactly it, the area is so huge making Frigates few and far between. Plus I believable a sub will usually spot a frigate and just go around it, perhaps what your Estonian friend meant by having 'no warning'. I'll be very glad when the Brits get the P8 into service, even better with the second...
by shark bait
30 Jan 2020, 09:56
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1007
Views: 142783
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

That's an unpopular opinion for sure.

I don't think there is any option that can watch over the North Atlantic besides a Maritime Patrol Aircraft, of which P8 is the best option available.

The only other alternative I can think is to fill the area with drones, but that solution doesn't exist today.
by shark bait
30 Jan 2020, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I just wish we had a clearer idea as to how the MoD intends to fill the Mk41s Is there any point bothering? It's ages until the first of class enters service, and will likely be the best part of a decade before they start expanding its role beyond ASW escort. I'll bet it 10 years before the Navy ar...
by shark bait
24 Jan 2020, 08:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11348
Views: 1254073
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

There will be no surprise attack then. True in parts, but remember a carrier can travel 40 miles between satellite revisits, a missile could travel thousands of miles in the same time, so I'd still put the advantage on the missile. And this is another reason why extra range is important, it gives t...
by shark bait
22 Jan 2020, 13:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11348
Views: 1254073
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

A Navy can't defend against that, a commander will have to act as though the enemy knows where they are all the time. That will force the carrier to operate from much further away from shore, requiring longer ranged aircraft.

(Also under water becomes much more important)
by shark bait
22 Jan 2020, 10:46
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1007
Views: 142783
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

Global Hawk should be avoided, the UK is less interested in what's on the surface than Australia. The focus has to be on P8 plain and simple, then work with some commercial companies to watch the surface.
by shark bait
22 Jan 2020, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3142
Views: 330373
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Just a fantasy, I agree, but how about adding the hangar on hull 4 and 5 of River B2? A light helo and hanger should have been there at the beginning, that would have been a real step up over its predecessor. Is there an 'easy' way to retrofit it? this is a camcopter operating from a B2 skip to 2,1...
by shark bait
08 Jan 2020, 14:53
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1780
Views: 226718
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Why not have a B-2 like highly stealthy plane, with an intercontinental range/ endurance as a hub and then robo-fighters (rather than 'wingmen') doing circuits around it, at a distance? I would be willing to bet that will happen in a couple of decades, and I feel its a bit too much of a jump to hap...
by shark bait
06 Dec 2019, 12:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2756
Views: 284318
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

serge750 wrote:Maybe a smaller LHD like the mistral could be pushed past the bean counters


LHD's are dumb.

It's well accepted that aircraft carriers don't belong close to a hostile coast.
At the same time its well accepted landing craft don't work over the horizon.
by shark bait
06 Dec 2019, 12:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Roders96 wrote:On a side note - are there any historic threads in this forum discussing what kind of capabilities would be required to counter Iran's speedboat flotilla?


Look at the Battle of Bubiyan. TLDR; get a Helicopter!
by shark bait
21 Nov 2019, 09:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

NickC wrote: new Fincantieri PPA

So much for 'beautiful Italian design' :lol:
by shark bait
20 Nov 2019, 07:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11381
Views: 964910
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Scimitar54 wrote:had enough frigates/destroyers

Meaningless statement until someone can quantify 'enough', and with the fleet sat in port 20% of the time it hard to claim there aren't 'enough'.

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