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by shark bait
21 Oct 2019, 10:00
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1477
Views: 119329
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

SW1 wrote:Cheap and expendable is what it’s all about

That's exactly what it needs to be. The whole of NATO will benefit having some aircraft it can afford to loose, that will be the best thing drones do for us.
by shark bait
18 Oct 2019, 13:42
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1477
Views: 119329
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Why does it need to be armed? Why not keep the first generation simpler by using it as an intel gathering node that can feedback to the manned platforms? The airbag system should be fine, if engineers can pull off that trick on mars I'm sure they can make it work here on earth. Saying that I think t...
by shark bait
18 Oct 2019, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70512
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I don't but that.

The UK has two factories producing aircraft, and three factories pumping out naval vessels, why is a fourth needed?
by shark bait
18 Oct 2019, 11:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70512
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Why is it? The UK buys everything else from abroad but for some reason ship building gets a special status.
by shark bait
18 Oct 2019, 09:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70512
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

whats the benefit?
by shark bait
18 Oct 2019, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70512
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Doesn't sound like a bad deal on paper, commonality with the tide class, British engineered, British blocks, and assembled by an experienced yard.
by shark bait
17 Oct 2019, 09:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2361
Views: 152815
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

It is up to Navy leadership to articulate the difference. If they can't manage that they don't deserve to be in the job.
by shark bait
17 Oct 2019, 08:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2361
Views: 152815
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

From what I understand of the ideas the USMC are looking at they would initially insert troop by air using MV-22s and then use small(ish) craft to move in fast and land troops. Some of the future concepts coming out of the USMC look highly relevant to the Royal Marines too. There are some pushing a...
by shark bait
17 Oct 2019, 08:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2361
Views: 152815
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

I’m saying sail the LPDs as part of the CSG, but operate OTH. Not going to happen, there's no way a LPD will work effectively out with the carrier group. A landing force needs to lay down as much mass as fast as possible before the opposition can counter, which won't happen shuttling forwards and b...
by shark bait
16 Oct 2019, 13:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2361
Views: 152815
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_BX2GWkAAiAYo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_C5EqXoAI0JFt?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_C5jsWoAA3thd?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Some one already has! and the neat thing about this concept is it puts the ra...
by shark bait
16 Oct 2019, 07:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2361
Views: 152815
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

I’d see the most perfect platform being the LPDs currently The LPDs are far from perfect, they are just too big for the role. The size creates two problems; the first being there is little demand for large LPD's, and they are too expensive to use on general purpose tasks unlike the Bay Class. The o...
by shark bait
16 Oct 2019, 07:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 203524
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

RichardIC wrote:I see absolutely no utility for the Rivers in the Caribbean


I largely agree. I do wonder, is all of this stuff about the Rivers is a solution in search of a problem? The batch 2 Rivers are a bad purchase, throwing even more money at them is unlikely to change that.
by shark bait
15 Oct 2019, 07:58
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1477
Views: 119329
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I think the answer is both. It will effectively be a flying single use EW pod, which at the end of its life may be used to crash into a radar. The real magic happens when its launched alongside SPEAR-EX (explosive?), the missiles can collaborate independent from the manned launch platform, turning t...
by shark bait
10 Oct 2019, 07:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

You're making an excellent case for hurricane disaster relief, and I'm not disputing that.

However, a hospital ship does not clear roads, or restore power, or put a roof over peoples heads. It's not the right tool for the job.
by shark bait
09 Oct 2019, 08:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 612571
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don’t understand why everyone is so optimistic about type 31. On entry into service the T31 will very much be a patrol frigate that is less capable than its predecessor. Whilst that is nothing to cheer about, the saving grace is the large hull with latent capability won, so at least there is the ...
by shark bait
09 Oct 2019, 08:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

does not go to the needy people it is meant for And spending hundreds of millions to buy and operate ships improves that how? Truth is, ships are a real shit way of delivering medical capability to the public because no one lives at sea. Land rovers are far cheaper and can reach far more people. No...
by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 08:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Jake1992 wrote:provide the UK with an asset

Exactly, the whole construct has nothing to do with aid or international development. It's about more toys.
by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 08:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 388495
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Good spot Ron! I don't think I've seen this yet either. We can spot the difference;

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by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 07:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Jake1992 wrote:medical aid to poorer nations

Like charities do? Why is the government taking up roles normally delivered by NGO's?

If they do it'll cost twice as much to deliver half the effect. If that really is the goal, the best course of action is to give the money to charity.
by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 07:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 709
Views: 66262
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Yes is/was a study funded from the £160m Transformation Fund, but two defence secretaries later has it survived? It was a navy backed project so I hope so...
by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 07:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 367
Views: 27983
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future ASW

I did mention it on twitter :lol:



Something like the above would be a worthwhile addition on the T31, and there are quite a few sonars in this class now, so plenty of choice.
by shark bait
08 Oct 2019, 07:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

role taken over by the likes of multi mission sloops. So now the Navy have to buy sloops? Why? This is throwing good money at a problem that does not need fixing; ⋅ The Bays already exist ⋅ Its a good amphibious training opportunity ⋅ They do other security work in the...
by shark bait
07 Oct 2019, 13:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

That is the reasoning every time this pops up, and it has nothing to do with international development.

It's just a story designed to appeal to those who want more toys flying British flags like the old days.
by shark bait
07 Oct 2019, 12:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 151
Views: 15960
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Sounds really stupid! A Royal Yacht, that's also a logistics ship...why?

I haven't seen a compelling argument for government operated aid ships. Smushing that bad idea together with another controversial idea makes it sound a solution desperately in search of a problem.
by shark bait
07 Oct 2019, 11:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 367
Views: 27983
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future ASW

That does makes sense. With the introduction of P8 and the T26 the UK should largely consider open ocean sub hunting satisfied. That does leave a gap finding SSK's in coastal environments, which is probably where any new funding should be directed. Back in 82 the RN were better quipped for the times...

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