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by NickC
03 Jul 2020, 10:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

I'm slightly surprised the T26 design can take the growth to ~10,000t for Hunter, the same as Burke Flight IIA destroyer with its 96 VLS cells, with no problems, BAE quote T26 as 6,900t and as mentioned before BAE do not state whether their figure is light, standard or full load displacement. My ass...
by NickC
01 Jul 2020, 10:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

A survey not long ago revealed ASW specialist designs attracted a 25% premium. And after a production run of 8 ships you'll have knocked 30% of the build cost. 30% seems optimistic, any example you could reference to support that figure and if accurate would it not apply equally to standard ship eg...
by NickC
29 Jun 2020, 17:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

[quote="ArmChairCivvy" Here's a good inventory of problems with such an approach... which Japan took so that their top destroyers would not be 'locked in' to a small box of sea, for them to be able to provide the missile shield: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/06/japans-aegis-ash...
by NickC
29 Jun 2020, 12:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Thoughts on a possible future RN AAW destroyer and Hunter The driving force behind the 10,000t displacement multi-mission Hunter, a larger Mk2 T26 is the ability to fit the big and top heavy CEFAR2 L&S&X band radar, which from pics of Hunter appears to show AESA GaN six S-band flat panel arr...
by NickC
28 Jun 2020, 11:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 696799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

However, if this is all 'academic' then look no further than the NL thread where the details for a closely comparable Dutch frigate are emerging... how much per meter :) ? The headline with the new Belgium/Dutch 133m ~5,500t FLD frigates, Vervanging M-fregaten - vMFF, to replace the 3,300t M class ...
by NickC
26 Jun 2020, 07:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

June 26 article in Australian Financial Review, behind paywall, "Sinking feeling: frigate heads back to drawing board - The navy's $35 billion fleet of new frigates is undergoing design changes because they have become too heavy, risking a cost blowout for taxpayers and potentially compromising...
by NickC
22 Jun 2020, 14:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Don't know RN standard but for USN surface combatants allowance... There was, at the time, a lively discussion whether the Burke Flight III was doable within whatever reserves applied at the time, and after the fact the Prgrm Mgr stated that to get "there" 45% of compartments had their dr...
by NickC
22 Jun 2020, 09:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Has there ever been a topic on here where everyone has come to an agreement? I did think part of the reason for the size of the T-26 was to allow for growth throughout its service life though. A service life allowance is designed in for the increase in displacement of ships as they inevitably get h...
by NickC
21 Jun 2020, 18:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

approx twice displacement of a T23. An interesting angle, but the G. Brown like for like, at low cost replacement story line/ cover died a long time ago, so as such there is no reason why the nxt-gen shouldn't be bigger. But how much bigger...? I would rather ask the folks here who, like me, have p...
by NickC
12 Jun 2020, 16:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Brazilian navy has selected the Spike-ER to replace the old Sea Skua missiles for its Super Lynx helos, many variants of Spike with over 30,000 manufactured, the LR uses a combination of inertial navigation (no GPS as too easily jammed) and an electro-optical/infrared camera, the helicopter weapons ...
by NickC
11 Jun 2020, 13:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4085
Views: 493548
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

German Monch site article on the Hunter, if understanding correctly quoting Geoff Searle of ASC shipbuilding for the last two years or so, subsidiary of BAE Systems Australia (previously he spent five years running the UK Type 26 programme). The original Hunter graphics stated 8,800 tonnes EOL displ...
by NickC
10 Jun 2020, 13:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 767
Views: 136476
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

RN PR on Lancaster "gearing up for her first operational duties in nearly five years following a period of extended readiness and two-year refit in Devonport.

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... ons-trials
by NickC
08 Jun 2020, 10:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

My understanding was that ship side launched boats could launch and recovery at higher sea states than rear boat ramps, the new Belgium/Dutch MCM USVs have been tested in the MARIN test tank at sea states 5/6 with significant waves height of 4m with incoming waves from all directions including leewa...
by NickC
05 Jun 2020, 14:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 767
Views: 136476
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

@ArmChairCivy

A clear and concise explanation of recent RN history and why it has ended up in such as sad place today. Thx.
by NickC
05 Jun 2020, 10:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 767
Views: 136476
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

Calc the average days at sea per year (as did yesterday for T45) for the fleet of the thirteen T23s., based on 2015 to 2018 figures (Kevan Jones did not ask for 2019 data, think maybe asked in previous queation?), by coincidence the answer was the same as for the T45, 81 days at sea per year per shi...
by NickC
04 Jun 2020, 09:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1226
Views: 185831
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

Very disappointing but not unexpected to report over the 5 years, 2015 to 2019, T45 class of six destroyers spent 2,417 days at sea, an average of 81 days per ship per year, would not be surprised if RN with the T45 had created new record low of all the world's navies for modern destroyer classes. P...
by NickC
03 Jun 2020, 09:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 665
Views: 108927
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

So the missile tubes are built here in UK, shipped to the USA then put in the CMC compartment. I always thought everything was done in the US. I was under the impression that the Trident missile four tube modules were manufactured and welded in US by BWXT, faulty welds found in 2018 threatening Col...
by NickC
02 Jun 2020, 08:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 665
Views: 108927
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

BreakingDefense quoting USN Rear Adm. Scott Pappano saying coronavirus has delayed the Columbia SSBN, Virginia SSN and Dreadnought SSBN programmes caused when less than 30 percent of workers at UK based Babcock Marine showed up, now back to 90%, which resulted in delayed construction and welding of ...
by NickC
30 May 2020, 11:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 696799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Gensets The Iver Huitfeldt class gensets 2 x CAT3512 gensets @ 1,360 kW each + 2 x CAT3508 gensets @ 920 kW each, total 4.56 MW, compared to T31 four MTU generator sets based on 16V 2000 M41B units, each delivering in excess of 900 kW, total ~3.6 MW, a reduction of ~ 0.9 MW. Presumably reflecting T3...
by NickC
27 May 2020, 13:49
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1058
Views: 174522
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

FWIW USN P8A for the third time in two months intercepted by Russian fighters in eastern Mediterranean, latest episode Su-35s shadowed the P-8A for 65 minutes, Russians from flying from Hmeimim air base in Syria and Al Jufra in Libya. From <https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-05-27/...
by NickC
20 May 2020, 15:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 696799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

ALaMO 57mm, have seen mention of $14,000 plus per round, have been unalbe to verify

L3 video April 9, 2018

by NickC
16 May 2020, 14:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 696799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

First images have seen of the L3 AlaMO projectile, which won out in USN competition following trials with the BAE ORKA developed from the BAE 3P round for an anti-boghammar round for use with the Bofors 57mm gun, max range stated as 10 km/5.4 nm by L3 per earlier video. L3 have not disclosed any inf...
by NickC
11 May 2020, 13:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 696799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I wonder if the 6900t figure is lightship or standard displacement ? :think: .....as for the Hunters 8800t , that is supposedly its mythical End Of Life displacement , which IMO is a bit of a bollocks term anyway ( Full load is full load....ie the maximum displacement of the design....it doesn't ch...
by NickC
10 May 2020, 09:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The suggestion "a ship with x2 pinging power" and "a ship with 1/2 a noise" sounds logical to offset the URN of a low cost unsilenced ship though would like to know if any trials ever conducted to confirm the theory and if it works in operation, questions, how much larger sonar a...
by NickC
09 May 2020, 13:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1186949
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

what dose a type 26 have that makes it the only frigate we can send ? Full spectrum of ASW, AAW, ASuW weapons and countermeasures plus hull quietening/stealth. Only even a few of these exist (and will only exist for the RN) even in a glossy T31 sales brochure. To operate in the Barents Sea needs a ...

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