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by Jake1992
21 Jan 2020, 08:21
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I thought the talk of hypersonic was around missiles to be developed for use on tempest no the plane itself.

IMO if tempest could hit Mach 3 odd while keeping good movability and decent range and payload would be an out come
by Jake1992
19 Jan 2020, 15:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3959
Views: 353941
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Why is everyone assuming they are CAMM? Canada already uses ESSM. It's far more likely they'll just pack that in instead. Altogether an impressive ship. Wish the City class could take some lessons from it... Iv said it before not only are we ordering the smallest number of our own design but also a...
by Jake1992
18 Jan 2020, 23:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6241
Views: 483597
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

With both the T-26 and T-31 we need the hulls in the water before we start thinking of upgrades. I would love to see the remaining T-26 built to an improved design, leveraging some of the ideas that have come out of the Australian and Canadian competitions but not at the cost in numbers. The Navy h...
by Jake1992
18 Jan 2020, 21:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3959
Views: 353941
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Here's the other view .. So only half the SeaCepter load out of the Royal Navy City Class, but with the addition of an extra 8-cell Mk41 VLS module, for a total of 32 Mk41 cells. I wonder what they’re going to put in all of them? Do any of you more knowledgable people know if the Canadians still ha...
by Jake1992
18 Jan 2020, 15:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6241
Views: 483597
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Now that we seem to be going to spend 400m per frigate , is the type31 now our future frigate in further batches ? I hope not in the sense that I hope we don’t stop improving and evolving the T26 design as it has far more to offer in the tier one bracket but the T31 could evolved in to a good tier ...
by Jake1992
07 Jan 2020, 18:18
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

the latest versions are likely to be significantly longer legged I am led to believe. From value to cost: A study presented to US Congress, The Cost of Replacing Today’s Air Force Fleet , attempted to calculate how much government would have to put aside for the Penetrating Counter Air project. The...
by Jake1992
05 Jan 2020, 17:19
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

The problem is before 2010 we had what 150 odd typhoons, 70 odd tornadoes and 70 odd harriers in service No we didn’t. Admitingly I may have got my individual aircraft numbers wrong but in 2007 the RAF had around 210 fighters made up of around 75% tornados, add to this the fact the the UK 70 odd ha...
by Jake1992
05 Jan 2020, 12:27
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

The problem is before 2010 we had what 150 odd typhoons, 70 odd tornadoes and 70 odd harriers in service No we didn’t. Admitingly I may have got my individual aircraft numbers wrong but in 2007 the RAF had around 210 fighters made up of around 75% tornados, add to this the fact the the UK 70 odd ha...
by Jake1992
05 Jan 2020, 01:41
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

The problem is before 2010 we had what 150 odd typhoons, 70 odd tornadoes and 70 odd harriers in service to do all the RAF tasks and fill 3 carrier with a 20 odd air craft capacity each. We are now looking at having 150 odd typhoons and 50 odd F35Bs in service to do all the same RAF tasks if not mor...
by Jake1992
04 Jan 2020, 21:05
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

To me this shows how perfectly sad our situation is, for a nation that is aspiring to global influence and a 2 super carrier force to only have 50 aircraft suitable for this role is down right abysmal. 50 Stealth fighters that are deployable, without gutting home defence forces would put us in the ...
by Jake1992
04 Jan 2020, 13:22
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1689
Views: 169482
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

We will probably purchase additional F-35s down the line but these will not increase the number in service but rather replace older versions maintaining a pool of available airframes at around 50. To me this shows how perfectly sad our situation is, for a nation that is aspiring to global influence...
by Jake1992
18 Dec 2019, 19:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)
Replies: 64
Views: 7834
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)

Personally I think 50 million for a royal yacht is a bargain. It's an asset that will last 40 years minimum, and quite apart from trade it can showcase British maritime engineering. It would be a nice follow on project for Cammels after the RSS. Finance it with a loan secured against the asset and ...
by Jake1992
14 Dec 2019, 11:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11066
Views: 1081992
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Thought it was supposed to be operational by now. Nope. It's gone very quiet recently, that might not mean anything bad but its usually not a great sign. Thought it was supposed to be operational by now. Nope. It's gone very quiet recently, that might not mean anything bad but its usually not a gre...
by Jake1992
13 Dec 2019, 15:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11066
Views: 1081992
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

It’s not underwhelming it’s reality rather than the fiction that’s been going round for years. When us marines put this number of f35s to seat in the Pacific and elsewhere it’s considered a strategic statement why should we be any different. I think it’s seen as disappointing by most due to what th...
by Jake1992
12 Dec 2019, 20:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)
Replies: 64
Views: 7834
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)

Type 23 frigate HMS Lancaster could be used as a "royal yacht", as the Queen is acyually the Duke of Lancaster and the ship is already known as "The Queen's Ship". Can you imagine any royals or high up politicians staying on here with her cramped bunks, boards this like I said a...
by Jake1992
12 Dec 2019, 20:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)
Replies: 64
Views: 7834
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)

There is no need to build a specific new vessel as a royal yacht. There have been previous Royal Yachts that were RN warships, such as HMS Vanguard (1947) and HMS Renown (1916). The title "Royal Yacht" could become a transferable one, like when the Queen is aboard an aircraft and its call...
by Jake1992
12 Dec 2019, 18:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)
Replies: 64
Views: 7834
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)

Scimitar54 wrote:Rather depends on the election result I would think. :mrgreen:


Not if the Royals fund it them selfs it doesn’t, but if HMG want to use it as well they’ll have to stump up some funding.
by Jake1992
12 Dec 2019, 17:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)
Replies: 64
Views: 7834
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Her Majesty's Yacht Britannia (1954-1997) (ex RN)

Looks like we could be getting a new royal yacht, just heard on the radio that senior royals have been left £50m in a will for the purpose of a royal yacht.
by Jake1992
12 Dec 2019, 07:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10934
Views: 797891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

All my serving and ex RN family members see it as a weak point when we’ve been in discussion on the topic of escorts and protecting the QEs. Missile numbers in comparison to the T45s they replace will depend on whether CAMM in add to the T45s if so then it’ll still be a reduction. Different perspec...
by Jake1992
11 Dec 2019, 21:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10934
Views: 797891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Well Yh there is one big factor is that a critique of the current T45 is that it’s struggle with saturation acts, your reduce the number of silos by a third then it’d be very weak in that area ( remember the Hunter class is not a AAW vessel it’s just there to help to compensate for the RANs small n...
by Jake1992
11 Dec 2019, 21:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10934
Views: 797891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Or why not just go with the Australian hunter class configuration from ship 4 onward. Not a bad idea really, all T26 & AAW derivatives total commonality ! would there be any downsides ? Wouldn’t know but there system will integrate with e7 and p8. Or why not just go with the Australian hunter c...
by Jake1992
11 Dec 2019, 20:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10934
Views: 797891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1 wrote:Or why not just go with the Australian hunter class configuration from ship 4 onward.


Would 32 Mk41s really be enough it’s less than the current T45s set up
by Jake1992
11 Dec 2019, 19:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10934
Views: 797891
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Personally I don’t think the T26 hull is going to be big enough for the t45 replacement, to be competitive in the 2030s we’ll need 96+ silos and power to support directed energy weapons. I understand the Italians are going 10000t plus, KDX3 is already over 10k at full load. There’s plenty of time, ...
by Jake1992
11 Dec 2019, 18:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11066
Views: 1081992
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out I read in "someone who ought to know"s tweet yesterday (but I can't remember who) that PoW is 12 feet longer because of the changes for LPH duty plus detailed design changes made for e...
by Jake1992
08 Dec 2019, 14:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2749
Views: 229347
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

I keep seeing talk of NATO and it’s relevance to our place in the world and our defence strategy going forward, but one of our main contributions to NATO not only because of who we are but our geographical location is the reinforcement of the norther flank. How will we do this if we strip the amphi...

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