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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby RetroSicotte » 08 Jul 2019, 09:56

shark bait wrote:I'm holding out for a 90% F-22 from Tempest.

If Tempest wants to be viable as a high end superiority fighter it's going to have to be a lot more than that. F-22 is older and less advanced than a lot of people think.

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby shark bait » 08 Jul 2019, 10:10

I will clarify, I am referring to the mechanical stuff.

The F22 has suffered and under-investment on the systems, and Tempest should obviously aim to surpass this. The good news is much of this work can be applied to the current generation, and Tempest has two different platforms (+revenue streams) to use as flying test beds.

For example get a big screen cockpit flying on Grippen, and a new radar flying on Typhoon, then focus Tempest on integrating the best of these onto a new airframe. This is an opportunity to extend the life of Typhoon and Grippen, as well as controlling the Tempest project.

It can be a win win.
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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby RetroSicotte » 08 Jul 2019, 10:23

No disagreement there. But I don't believe we should consider watering anything down about the result. Tempest has direct competitors already forming aimed at high end stuff themselves. The aim should be on surpassing that to succeed.

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby shark bait » 08 Jul 2019, 10:50

I think Tempest has to challenge that view.

If the next gen continues on the trend set by its predecessors western air forces will consume themselves. Tempest has to buck this trend. I'd stamp “Perfect is the enemy of good” on the project office door.
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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Lord Jim » 08 Jul 2019, 15:28

As I mentioned earlier, SAAB have come up with a way of using computer modelling etc. to allow a platform to be basically most of the way there by the time they actually build a real plane. This is how they were able to put in the lowest bid for the USAFs T-X competition. The majority of the initial test flights are just to confirm the computer model and so you save a large chunk of the developmental costs by having a platform that is almost ready to go. Obviously the T-X is a lot less complicated than the Son of Tempest will be but it should allow costs to be kept down during the developmental phase at least.

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Lord Jim » 09 Jul 2019, 20:57

I was unable to find the "Complax Weapons" thread so will put this here.
https://www.janes.com/article/89751/mbd ... s-concepts
How does this announcement from MBDA affect the Angle/French programme to develop a replacement for Storm Shadow and provide a next generation AShM? Form what has been said this weapon systems overlaps many of the aims of the joint programme. Could this be a spin off? Any ideas?

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Gabriele » 10 Jul 2019, 09:17

MBDA formulates one concept per year. Most go nowhere.

FCASW can be part of that family of system... or even the only part to see light. Depends on whether someone forks out the money for the rest.
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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Jensy » 15 Jul 2019, 23:26

If anyone's headed to RIAT this year, looks like the Tempest is going to be on public display:



Guessing it will be used as a backdrop for officially announcing the Swedes joining the programme and the recent talk of doubling the design staff.

https://www.pesmedia.com/tempest-fighter-jet-programme-recruitment-drive/

The more I see of it, the more the initial design grows on me, especially since the DassBus broke cover.

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Timmymagic » 20 Jul 2019, 09:55





Saab press release
On 18 July 2019, the governments of Sweden and the United Kingdom signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) regarding co-operation on future combat air systems. Saab views the agreement as a starting point for exploring the opportunity for joint development of a future combat air system, which will also read across into the continued long-term development of existing platforms including Gripen.

Leading up to the MoU signing, Saab has worked with British industry partners, BAE Systems, Leonardo UK, MBDA and Rolls Royce on a feasibility study on future combat air systems (FCAS), which concluded that identified synergies between the companies would provide a solid foundation for the further development of the required industrial and technology base. Saab will contribute with its experience of advanced technology development, system integration of complete combat air systems and related areas including sensors, missile systems and support.

“Throughout our history, Saab has continuously conducted studies and research of future concepts and technologies, which has allowed us to stay at the leading edge. International co-operation is part of Saab’s strategy for growth and the collaboration with the British industries represents that way of working also with regard to the future”, comments Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO of Saab.

Saab and British industry stand ready to support the outlined objectives set out by the Swedish and UK governments. Saab has not yet received an order in relation to the FCAS MoU.

Saab is today developing the next generation fighter Gripen E/F, and is committed to do so in close partnership with its strategic partners, the Swedish and Brazilian Air Forces, as well as with other existing and new Gripen customers, to ensure that Gripen evolves to meet emerging operational requirements for decades to come.

Technology development through the Swedish-UK collaboration, and the sharing of knowledge and expertise across industry, will provide additional benefits to the long-term sustainment and development of existing platforms and systems including Gripen, as well as the potential for a joint FCAS programme that will meet the requirements of the UK and Sweden, as well as the international market.

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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Timmymagic » 20 Jul 2019, 10:01



And....the Loyal Wingman is to be called Mosquito apparently, which does make some sense...Kratos and Boeing in the mix to date.


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Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Postby Timmymagic » 20 Jul 2019, 10:03

Thee apppear to be models of the Boeing proposal, which looks a little different to the Australian concept. Also a new word...Fractionation...



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