Future ASW

[tomuk]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

[new guy]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

Good response, but if you already have an appropriate MMB already on the frigate then it would always be easier to deploy via frigate; No need for a second ship.

[tomuk]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

Good response, but if you already have an appropriate MMB already on the frigate then it would always be easier to deploy via frigate; No need for a second ship.

Surely the point of XLUUV is it can loiter about on station much longer than a frigate can. Is there any point in having a frigate and an XLUUV in the same place?

[new guy]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

Good response, but if you already have an appropriate MMB already on the frigate then it would always be easier to deploy via frigate; No need for a second ship.

Surely the point of XLUUV is it can loiter about on station much longer than a frigate can. Is there any point in having a frigate and an XLUUV in the same place?

The frigate doesn't have to stay with the XLUUV

[tomuk]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

Good response, but if you already have an appropriate MMB already on the frigate then it would always be easier to deploy via frigate; No need for a second ship.

Surely the point of XLUUV is it can loiter about on station much longer than a frigate can. Is there any point in having a frigate and an XLUUV in the same place?

The frigate doesn't have to stay with the XLUUV

Neither does the auxilary. It could take four XLUUVs up to the GIUK gap drop them off and come back and pick them up three months later a the end of their patrol.

A UAV\USV\UUV may well be useful on a frigate as loyal wingman to the Merlin or an adjunct to its' tail but they would likely be smaller and less autonomous than XLUUV.

[new guy]

I struggle to see how a Frigate and XLUUV would make an effective pairing. With drone subs expected to be very slow (<5kts), they'll never be able to keep pace with a Frigate or Carrier Group.

Depends on the mission. CSG; No.
Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

If the XLUUV needs to be deployed at sea rather then make its own way to a patrol area would it not be cheaper and easier to use an auxiliary of some sort, could be even Serco rather RFA.

Good response, but if you already have an appropriate MMB already on the frigate then it would always be easier to deploy via frigate; No need for a second ship.

Surely the point of XLUUV is it can loiter about on station much longer than a frigate can. Is there any point in having a frigate and an XLUUV in the same place?

The frigate doesn't have to stay with the XLUUV

Neither does the auxilary. It could take four XLUUVs up to the GIUK gap drop them off and come back and pick them up three months later a the end of their patrol.

A UAV\USV\UUV may well be useful on a frigate as loyal wingman to the Merlin or an adjunct to its' tail but they would likely be smaller and less autonomous than XLUUV.

fair, especial when you know you will be deploying XLUUV.

[shark bait]

Deployment is location crucial places via frigate, e.g TAPS, GIUK, or situations where the frigate manages multiple XLUUV to increase the efficacy of a patrol. That is one of the main points of Unmanned systems; A greater presence, spread and efficacy, e.g in MCM.

Totally agree drone subs should exist to increase the efficacy of the crewed platforms. This doesn't mean a frigate has to carry or even operate the drones.

In the context of the North Sea the subs can be launched and controlled from the shore and point the frigates and aircraft in the right direction. Forward deploying XLUUV shouldn't be a high priority, better to use them at home to release SSNs for more complex tasks abroad.

[wargame_insomniac]

Neither does the auxilary. It could take four XLUUVs up to the GIUK gap drop them off and come back and pick them up three months later a the end of their patrol.

A UAV\USV\UUV may well be useful on a frigate as loyal wingman to the Merlin or an adjunct to its' tail but they would likely be smaller and less autonomous than XLUUV.

Initially it does appear to me that XLUUV would be most useful in a defensive role covering a fixed area. As well as those you suggest for GIUK Gap, I am sure that several would be useful in North Sea (and up into Barents Sea) to protect important UK and NATO underwater infrastructure. E.g. some of the main oil fields and undersea cables.

I was anticipating vessels like RFA Proteus carrying and deploying the UK's new Cestus XLUUV. Buts Cestus is 17 tonnes. Apparentlyfrom what I have read the crane limit for T26 is 10t from Navy Lookout below.

"Crewed and uncrewed systems weighing up to 10 tonnes can be launched and recovered over the side in moderate conditions, up to sea state 6 (swells to about 2 metres)."

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... ttleground

https://www.navylookout.com/refining-th ... ssion-bay/

[donald_of_tokyo]

Good youtube to see how CAPTAS-4/2/1 VDS part can be carried on various vessels, even M-USV. Interesting is, they are thinking of passive TASS ship to be different from the active VDS ship (pinger). This idea will dramatically enhance the survivability of the "pinger".

[donald_of_tokyo]

Nice read, but no in specific detail, I thought. Diversity of options we have.

https://www.navylookout.com/the-royal-n ... ttlespace/

[Ron5]

Nice read, but no in specific detail, I thought. Diversity of options we have.

https://www.navylookout.com/the-royal-n ... ttlespace/

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