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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Nov 2018, 18:49

Brasil wrote:They are the original 30mm DS30M Mk2. The same mounted on our Amazonas class (based on your River class)

- thx Brasil; so where the Phalanx mounts were have been left as they were (but w/o anything)?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 26 Nov 2018, 20:52

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Brasil wrote:They are the original 30mm DS30M Mk2. The same mounted on our Amazonas class (based on your River class)

- thx Brasil; so where the Phalanx mounts were have been left as they were (but w/o anything)?


Exactly. The intention is put a new CIWS in Atlantico, even a Sea Ceptor is beeing considered. The most probable is the Rheinmetall Oerlikon Millennium Gun 35mm

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby SKB » 26 Nov 2018, 20:58

Brasil wrote:Millennium Gun

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 04 Dec 2018, 00:37

Brasil wrote:A140 Atlantico arrives the first time in the state of São Paulo - Brazil. In the port of Santos - São Paulo


In operations, before this event


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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 12 Feb 2019, 23:50

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Operation "Aspirantex 2019"




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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 16 May 2019, 14:58

Her new life:


"Operation Joanne D'arc" With LPD Tonnerre (French Navy)



More operations, elevator and hangar



Operation with French Navy (LPD Tonnerre). Cross Deck Gazelle + Alouette



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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby SKB » 11 Sep 2019, 16:45


(Roberto Smera) 9th September 2019
Google translation:
For the festivities of September 7th, Independence Day, we had the honour of receiving in Santos the imposing “Atlântico” Multi-Purpose Helicopter Carrier, recently incorporated into the Brazilian Squadron. More than 200 metres long and a crew of 303 military, the "Atlantic" set sail today with several sailors on the deck, a scene that I was delighted to capture with my drone. Looking to explore new and unseen angles of the ship, I planned a lower flight, in order to get better approach of the bow, stern, edges and other equipment. It is with immense honour and satisfaction that I continue to spread the work of our glorious navy. Welcome back, Atlantic. The good Brazilian people are proud of our FFAA.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Jensy » 03 Mar 2020, 21:16



Well this would certainly be an unexpected development for Brazil. They have a real knack for fixed wing naval aviation on a budget.

With Watchkeeper still failing to deliver it's promised capability, I wouldn't put to much hope in the Royal Navy wanting to jump on the programme. That said, we've got a lot of deck to use.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 04 Mar 2020, 08:56

Having a readily deployable Soft "Crash" Barrier/Net to catch a UAV on landing n the flight deck could be something to look at on the QEs. Using a JATO style launch would certainly get one in the air, maybe an alternative launch platform for the new Protectors, to allow their use when there are no friendly launch sites within effective range of an objective. Given the emphasis on ISTAR capabilities the next review seems to want to focus on, adding an additional capability in this area to the Carriers might make them seem even more relevant to certain people in positions of power. Now I wonder if those AEW pods that lost the CROWSNEST contract could be fitted to a Protector? :D

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Tempest414 » 04 Mar 2020, 11:45

I am still shocked that Brazil did not buy HMS Ark Royal and say 20 Harriers and just dump there old carrier and skyhawks

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby abc123 » 04 Mar 2020, 12:53

Tempest414 wrote:I am still shocked that Brazil did not buy HMS Ark Royal and say 20 Harriers and just dump there old carrier and skyhawks


Yep. Especially because they had money then. But then they had fantasies about new CATOBAR carrier from France.
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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Jensy » 04 Mar 2020, 15:08

Lord Jim wrote:Given the emphasis on ISTAR capabilities the next review seems to want to focus on, adding an additional capability in this area to the Carriers might make them seem even more relevant to certain people in positions of power. Now I wonder if those AEW pods that lost the CROWSNEST contract could be fitted to a Protector? :D


Seemed a little far-fetched but Elbit don't usually come up with many fantasy concepts. If they are confident they can get a Hermes 450 off ex-Ocean's deck, it's shouldn't be unsurpassable to get a Watchkeeper off a QEC.

There was a carrier version of the Reaper/Protector with folding wings and reinforced airframe but it got binned. I'd say starting small with carrier based UAVs seems wise until we know more about their potential operation.

Now on the other hand I remember some Army general talk of arming Watchkeeper with Martlet... Wonder how many they could carry.

Tempest414 wrote:I am still shocked that Brazil did not buy HMS Ark Royal and say 20 Harriers and just dump there old carrier and skyhawks


They 'just didn't give a Foch'..... Sorry couldn't resist.

Always been surprised by that, especially when they then proceeded to buy Ocean right afterwards. I suppose the attraction of utilising their existing A-4 facilities and expertise seemed better than introducing a wholly new type. Though they then bought prehistoric S-2 Trackers for AEW.

Can't imagine the Argies would have been particularly amused, seeing an Invincible Class sailing around their neighborhood with Harriers on the deck and defended by Type 22s!

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Jake1992 » 04 Mar 2020, 15:42

Lord Jim wrote:Having a readily deployable Soft "Crash" Barrier/Net to catch a UAV on landing n the flight deck could be something to look at on the QEs. Using a JATO style launch would certainly get one in the air, maybe an alternative launch platform for the new Protectors, to allow their use when there are no friendly launch sites within effective range of an objective. Given the emphasis on ISTAR capabilities the next review seems to want to focus on, adding an additional capability in this area to the Carriers might make them seem even more relevant to certain people in positions of power. Now I wonder if those AEW pods that lost the CROWSNEST contract could be fitted to a Protector? :D


I always come back to it but if you want capable UAVs that can operate off the QEs the these are the answer for me -

https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... ft-system/


The Bell V-247 Vigilant is a new multi-role tilt-rotor unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) being developed by Textron subsidiary Bell Helicopter to meet the future requirements of the US Marine Corps (USMC).

Bell Helicopter revealed the design of the V-247 Vigilant tilt-rotor UAV in September 2016. The aircraft is designed to fit the capabilities drafted in the 2016 Marine Corps Aviation Plan. The V-247 Vigilant is expected to enter production phase by 2023.

The Bell V-247 Vigilant can be deployed in a range of missions including electronic warfare, airborne early warning (AEW), an escort for V-22 / V-280 tilt-rotor aircraft, command, control, communications, and computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (C4ISR), persistent fire support and tactical resupply.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 04 Mar 2020, 15:50

Jensy wrote:shouldn't be unsurpassable to get a Watchkeeper off a QEC.
The army has wasted unimaginable sums on that project
... now :) it's the navy's turn
Jensy wrote:carrier version of the Reaper/Protector with folding wings and reinforced airframe but it got binned.
Yeah, bcz the carriers can do so much better; so they turned to a vertical take-off, long range, surveillance and targeting only alternative... that can take off from any ship (from LCS/ frigate up)

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Jensy » 04 Mar 2020, 23:54

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Jensy wrote:shouldn't be unsurpassable to get a Watchkeeper off a QEC.
The army has wasted unimaginable sums on that project
... now :) it's the navy's turn


Hey don't blame me, I'd have gone with developing the BAE Mantis concept! :wtf:

Still you can't trust these Army types with a sophisticated bit of kit, which the IDF basically fly from hillsides in [redacted].

Time to dust off the Skyhook plans?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 10 Mar 2020, 00:00

Jensy wrote:
Tempest414 wrote:I am still shocked that Brazil did not buy HMS Ark Royal and say 20 Harriers and just dump there old carrier and skyhawks


They 'just didn't give a Foch'..... Sorry couldn't resist.

Always been surprised by that, especially when they then proceeded to buy Ocean right afterwards. I suppose the attraction of utilising their existing A-4 facilities and expertise seemed better than introducing a wholly new type. Though they then bought prehistoric S-2 Trackers for AEW.

Can't imagine the Argies would have been particularly amused, seeing an Invincible Class sailing around their neighborhood with Harriers on the deck and defended by Type 22s!


And the price. The Foch was practically "donated" to the Brazilian navy. 12 million dollars.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 10 Mar 2020, 17:56

How much did the last refit for Ocean cost the MoD and how much did Brazil but it for again?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby R686 » 10 Mar 2020, 18:50

Lord Jim wrote:How much did the last refit for Ocean cost the MoD and how much did Brazil but it for again?


I thought Brazil payed for the last refit before handover

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 10 Mar 2020, 20:32

I believe they paid for the refit to remove certain systems and install others once they had bought it, but Ocean had just finished a major refit and overhaul which it had still been ongoing when talks with Brazil began as far as I remember. As per usual we sold a valuable piece of kit at Aldi prices.


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