Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Posted: 19 May 2019, 20:48
I think I guess why Marham is costing that much to upgrade now...
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F-35s from 617 Squadron have left the UK to deploy overseas for the very first time. Six of the fighter jets have left RAF Marham, bound for RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. The aircraft will take part in Exercise LIGHTNING DAWN, where the crew's ability to work in different environments will be tested, as well as stepping up preparations for its first operational carrier deployment later this year.
IV has 4 blocks within it (though officially it is "iterative" and "agile" so no such thing applies anymore)Timmymagic wrote: JASSM, LRASM, JAGM and Hellfire. Total cost is $90m so this isn't a full integration effort, but is certainly the starting point and appears to be aimed at Block IV.
They will soon change their mind as the less manoeurable glide bombs will not penetrate the defences... Iran's boghammers don't have any, so still "going currency" is such engagements. And much cheaper, per piece.Timmymagic wrote:USN does not use it. They use JSOW and JSOW-ER.
The Norgies will not be "absolutely delighted" as they went with the F-35 (OK, range and stealth did play their part) to be able to close the Norway-Svalbard gap... and be the prime supplier for AShM for any F-35 users that might have that rqrmntTimmymagic wrote:LRASM integration would cover the USAF and USN as both use it. This would give F-35 users another AShM choice apart from JSM. This is the Increment 1 version of LRASM (i.e. based on JASSM)
What role does stealth (external pylon mounting being non-stealth) have in CAS? As both are CAS weaponsTimmymagic wrote:Hellfire and JAGM are rail launched so would need to be adapted to be dropped from an internal bay before igniting, otherwise these are external pylon mounted stores only.
No point, it is for rotary and be able to reach inland, e.g. in support of SF ops where carriers are a mile and a continent away (from the scene)Timmymagic wrote:as I suspect FCASW will not be integrated onto F-35
Is it not a repeating theme that the US run exhaustive trials with anything that brings a new game along, like Brimstone, and then always say: nahh, we'll build our own (JAGM in this case)?Timmymagic wrote:JAGM and Hellfire have the same form factor as Brimstone. Could the US integration effort make integration of Brimstone more staightforward and cheap?
I based it more on the 5 year contract, looks like it will conclude just when Block IV starts.ArmChairCivvy wrote:IV has 4 blocks within it (though officially it is "iterative" and "agile" so no such thing applies anymore)
Don't forget the JSOW-ER is powered. It's modular payload is a great idea as well.ArmChairCivvy wrote:They will soon change their mind as the less manoeurable glide bombs will not penetrate the defences... Iran's boghammers don't have any, so still "going currency" is such engagements. And much cheaper, per piece.
Yep. I expect they're spitting feathers..particularly as although LRASM is likely to be slightly more expensive, its bigger, longer ranged and has more utility for land attack. The other potential purchaser for JSM is Australia, who are paying for integration of JSM to P-8. They're also a JASSM user....this could restrict any Australian JSM orders as a result....ArmChairCivvy wrote:The Norgies will not be "absolutely delighted" as they went with the F-35 (OK, range and stealth did play their part) to be able to close the Norway-Svalbard gap... and be the prime supplier for AShM for any F-35 users that might have that rqrmnt
True. But the US has to date qualified most of the weapons for external and internal carry with the exception of 9X. Can't understand why they'd bother with Hellfire though..Drop launch has been talked about in relation to JAGM as it makes life a lot easier for Tilt-Rotor employment on V-22 and V-247 (and any other TERN candidates).ArmChairCivvy wrote:What role does stealth (external pylon mounting being non-stealth) have in CAS? As both are CAS weapons
FCASW is the Storm Shadow/SCALP/Exocet replacement programme (Future Cruise Anti-Ship Weapon) from MBDA. Sometimes called Perseus which was an MBDA concept for a similar weapon. You're thinking of Sea Venom (FASGW(H))ArmChairCivvy wrote:No point, it is for rotary and be able to reach inland, e.g. in support of SF ops where carriers are a mile and a continent away (from the scene)
They've not really trialled Brimstone. They did observe the Reaper and Apache E trials recently and do some preliminary work on F-18 integration after observing the original Tornado trials. But JAGM has taken an age, going through the abortive JCM programme. It doesn't have a Tri-Mode seeker anymore, doesn't have the range of Brimstone 2 or 3 and (until now) the fast jet launch capability appeared to have been parked. Given the cross-over between JAGM and SDBII you have to wonder why they're bothering. I do wonder if it will go forward into full integration as a result.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Is it not a repeating theme that the US run exhaustive trials with anything that brings a new game along, like Brimstone, and then always say: nahh, we'll build our own (JAGM in this case)?
That's when we will be asked for the "ransom" moneyTimmymagic wrote:will conclude just when Block IV starts.
Time to insert a few swearwords about these accronyms... of course none would be suitable for "print"Timmymagic wrote:You're thinking of Sea Venom (FASGW(H))
- well, it keeps coming back. And they keep not buying anybody else's "stuff"Timmymagic wrote:It doesn't have a Tri-Mode seeker anymore, doesn't have the range of Brimstone 2 or 3 and (until now) the fast jet launch capability appeared to have been parked. Given the cross-over between JAGM and SDBII you have to wonder why they're bothering.
ArmChairCivvy wrote:That's when we will be asked for the "ransom" money
That's why I'm a believer in only buying 90 odd F-35B (93 would be nice as it would give us 90 operational a/c, who doesn't like round numbers..) and buying some additional Typhoon to keep the line running longer until we get stuck in to Tempest. The US will look after its own interests not only in the aviation field, but also on the munitions front. The ITAR restrictions on other sales are enough reason alone to want independence from US supplies.ArmChairCivvy wrote:- well, it keeps coming back. And they keep not buying anybody else's "stuff"
This might be the reason why they're not spending an age on the recovery effort. Near vertical crash into the ocean at m0.9 from 14,000 ft. There probably isn't much left of the aircraft apart from very small pieces.Timmymagic wrote:It looks like the recent Japanese fatal F-35 crash was a CFT. The recovery effort seems to have ceased following the recovery of the pilots remains.
The article states that as the forecast price for the F35A, the B version will be a lot more, due to its unique lift fan and additional engine parts. Poland have asked for their F35A models as soon as possible, so diverting them from Turkeys quota makes some sense.sunstersun wrote:81 mil a plane next year.
A troubling conclusion seems a convenient scape goat blaming the pilot when we can’t ask him considering they have little evidence on which to base such a clear cut conclusion on as they could not get data from the flight data recorders. You would think a plane as sophisticated as f35 would have a override to protect the pilot and get to steady level flight like others do.Timmymagic wrote:It looks like the recent Japanese fatal F-35 crash was a CFT. The recovery effort seems to have ceased following the recovery of the pilots remains.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48578178
There aren't any that deploy automatically though, the MiG-29 one was a button press that resulted in a wings level, low rate of climb. But it still needed the pilot to select it. The danger is when the pilot is unaware of the conditions.SW1 wrote:You would think a plane as sophisticated as f35 would have a override to protect the pilot and get to steady level flight like others do.
Given there has been a number of incidents of it reported it may well have occurred seem strange to rule on CFiT so definitely.downsizer wrote:Potential hypoxia?