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How do you feel about the F-35B for the RN and RAF? (2 votes per member)

GOOD choice for the Royal Navy
123
44%
BAD choice for the Royal Navy
11
4%
Uncertain (RN)
14
5%
GOOD choice for the Royal Air Force
54
19%
BAD choice for the Royal Air Force
38
14%
Uncertain (RAF)
40
14%
 
Total votes: 280

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby bobp » 18 May 2020, 20:45

Scimitar54 wrote:3 in 2020 6 in 2021 5 in 2022
Does not add up to 17

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Scimitar54 » 18 May 2020, 20:51

Where the figure of 17 came from will remain a mystery (plucked from the air or a mistake perhaps). The number of additional F35 is 18, if 2023 were to be included. :mrgreen:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby jonas » 19 May 2020, 07:35

Without wishing to appear churlish, I know how many we are supposed to be getting by 2023, but my question was does anyone know the approx date when the 3 aircraft due to be delivered this year might be.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Scimitar54 » 19 May 2020, 11:51

All by 31/12/20 ?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby jonas » 19 May 2020, 14:54

Scimitar54 wrote:All by 31/12/20 ?


Hilarious, but actually about what I expected. Page after page of speculation and personal opinions, repeated ad nauseam. Ask for a simple fact and we can't even get a sensible answer. Still I suppose you are all happy airing your fantasies, so I am sorry if I reminded you that there is a real world out there.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby downsizer » 19 May 2020, 14:57

jonas wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:All by 31/12/20 ?


Hilarious, but actually about what I expected. Page after page of speculation and personal opinions, repeated ad nauseam. Ask for a simple fact and we can't even get a sensible answer. Still I suppose you are all happy airing your fantasies, so I am sorry if I reminded you that there is a real world out there.


Mate c'mon, you knew that already right?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby jonas » 19 May 2020, 15:34

downsizer wrote:
jonas wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:All by 31/12/20 ?


Hilarious, but actually about what I expected. Page after page of speculation and personal opinions, repeated ad nauseam. Ask for a simple fact and we can't even get a sensible answer. Still I suppose you are all happy airing your fantasies, so I am sorry if I reminded you that there is a real world out there.


Mate c'mon, you knew that already right?


Yea your right, I should have known better :thumbdown:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Caribbean » 19 May 2020, 17:20

Scimitar54 wrote:All by 31/12/20

About the only reasonable answer that could be given. I can't find an announcement of actual arrival dates (if they are even known). The 2017 timeline give Carrier Strike IOC as approx. October 2020, with F35 (maritime) IOC sometime in December 2020 and 3 new aircraft joining "during the year". Another 17 are supposedly due between 2020 and 2022 (Williamson 2018). I've seen no details on those either
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby bobp » 19 May 2020, 17:55

Caribbean wrote:Another 17 are supposedly due between 2020 and 2022

Not quite true, the 3 are part of the 17, and six next year, the rest the year after. With regard to the 3 this year, no one can predict when they will finish being made and tested, then delivered to the UK, especially if production gets messed up with this silly virus.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 19 May 2020, 18:30

jonas wrote: Mate c'mon, you knew that already right?



Yea your right, I should have known better


And your last "little factoid" that you contributed... as those seem to be the ones you are after?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SDL » 19 May 2020, 21:14


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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Caribbean » 20 May 2020, 11:34

bobp wrote:Not quite true, the 3 are part of the 17, and six next year, the rest the year after. With regard to the 3 this year, no one can predict when they will finish being made and tested, then delivered to the UK, especially if production gets messed up with this silly virus.

Ah OK - I think I confused the last batch from the early order(s) (which, now that I look it up was only two aircraft), with the first batch from the latest order.
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SKB » 29 May 2020, 17:03


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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Repulse » 31 May 2020, 12:02

Was reading the other day that during the Falklands war, the FAA Harrier squadrons were “expanded to war strength” - I believe from 9 a/c to 12 a/c by moving a/c from the training squadron and stores.

Given, it is quite possible that there will be very limited funds for much more than 48 a/c would it make sense to do this again - e.g. 4 squadrons of 9 a/c (2 RAF + 2 FAA) plus one training/reserve squadron of 12 a/c capable of boosting squadrons to 12 a/c in times of war. Typical load for the CVFs would be 18 F35Bs (2 sqds) plus day 12 Merlin.

Overall then, 48 + the 3 experimental a/c in the US.
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby dmereifield » 31 May 2020, 12:24

Shows how badly things are when we are hoping for just 18 on HMS QEII. Then of course, there won't be anything left for HMS PoW...

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Scimitar54 » 31 May 2020, 13:17

Repulse
The Sea-Harrier squadron numbers were expanded from “5“ (to 9 on Invincible) and to 12 on Hermes (an additional 11 aircraft).

1. Fact: The “3” are included in the “48”!
2. I believe that “The Plan” is still for 4 x Squadrons (of 12)!
3. If anything less than 24 x F35b are not routinely available for deployment on the High Readiness Strike Carrier,
then the UK will not possess “Carrier Strike”. IMHO it would be impossible to proceed beyond “Initial Capability”
without sufficient available aircraft (short of an emergency), when every aircraft would be required anyway.
4. Unless the High Readiness Strike Carrier is to be restricted to being within F35b Ferry Range from RAF
Marham, which of course the anti-carrier brigade would applaud with glee, the Carrier needs to have it’s air
assets on board for the duration of the deployment to be credible.

Any Politician or Service Chief would put their own (and the National) credibility in doubt if they were to argue for, or allow any backsliding from WHAT IS REQUIRED. :mrgreen:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Ron5 » 31 May 2020, 16:26

Be a shit lot easier to get F-35B funding if such funding (and the aircraft) belonged to the RN and not the RAF.

The RAF can't be trusted. See last 100 years of UK naval aviation history.


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