Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Posted: 04 Apr 2019, 14:01
Her pole mast is back up.
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Perhaps not the same, but the Indians relied far more heavily, than they want to admit, on Fincantieri for their Vikrant design.RetroSicotte wrote:I honestly cannot bring to mind a large aircraft carrier design that has ever been exported as a design for someone else to build due to wanting the design.
That is quite a coup for British design if that goes through, the only large carrier in modern times to achieve an export contract!
The design and IP are owned by HMG, as seen in the opening up of the design to the French for £100m when they were looking at PA.2. Presumably (hopefully) if there is an order BAE will pay the government a fee for it...Poiuytrewq wrote:Interesting that BAE is taking the lead on what was a Thales/BMT design.
Ron5 wrote:Why on earth does it fold that way instead of swinging back like the Sea Kings? Looks daft.
Definitely to do with the mounting on the weapons pylon fit...or British Gas no longer make the pipe section that was used for the Sea King mount....SW1 wrote:Looking at the picture my guess would be due to the fact they’re using the weapons mounting pylon location any rotation aft may have cause ground clearance issues in the event of a tire deflation and gear strut full compressed condition along with potential clearance issues to the landing gear sponson when fully swung aft. If they had decided to swing fwd it would cover the air stairs door.
CAMM-ER is longer but that's it. It isn't as manoeuvrable as CAMM so has a longer minimum effective range, but obviously a longer range overall. If QE ever got fitted for it (which is still very doubtful) CAMM on its own would be sufficient as the objective would only be to defend against missiles that popped up really close or were not successfully engaged by T45. CAMM-ER would make sense for T45, possibly to replace the Aster15 capability, leaving more space for Aster30.Jdam wrote:Are the dimensions of the missile different? I guess the benefit of going with Sea Ceptor is she would use stock of standard missile rather than having a one of a kind missile just for the carriers.
The thought did occur, although I dismissed it. Kuz didn't "win" the design in that case as an export like this would be. It was just China happened to have one, and copied it to learn about shipbuilding techniques of larger vessels.Timmymagic wrote:Does the Kuznetsov count for the Type 001A design? Not sure stealing counts as an export contract though...
Thursday 4th April 2019 saw an attempt by 7 tugs to pull HMS Queen Elizabeth back into the basin at Rosyth to be maintained in the dry dock.
Due to winds you can see the ship rocking about, the operationw as stopped and later cancelled for the day.
You can see the weather was .. variable!
Far too true, have a like.Timmymagic wrote:...or British Gas no longer make the pipe section that was used for the Sea King mount....
Poiuytrewq wrote:Fingers crossed. If India were ordering the F35b it would be very likely that a QE class would get the nod but the CATOBAR with EMALS redesign for India is still somewhat unproven. Undoubtedly though, having 2 already in the water will make a massive difference.RetroSicotte wrote:That is quite a coup for British design if that goes through, the only large carrier in modern times to achieve an export contract!
Interesting that BAE is taking the lead on what was a Thales/BMT design. It also proves that if HMG does invest in British industry to produce cutting edge designs the rest of the world will be very interested. The T26 is the obvious example. If only HMG had of shown the same commitment and support for British industry in the T31e programme then we might have had a better outcome to look forward too.
It would be so awesome if india did go for the QE design with CATOBAR ! I would of thought most of the design changes for CATOBAR has already been done as we had the F35 b or C debate a few years back where they looked into converting POW ? unless it was a sham......Poiuytrewq wrote:Fingers crossed. If India were ordering the F35b it would be very likely that a QE class would get the nod but the CATOBAR with EMALS redesign for India is still somewhat unproven. Undoubtedly though, having 2 already in the water will make a massive difference.RetroSicotte wrote:That is quite a coup for British design if that goes through, the only large carrier in modern times to achieve an export contract!
Interesting that BAE is taking the lead on what was a Thales/BMT design. It also proves that if HMG does invest in British industry to produce cutting edge designs the rest of the world will be very interested. The T26 is the obvious example. If only HMG had of shown the same commitment and support for British industry in the T31e programme then we might have had a better outcome to look forward too.
Fewer and fewer countries are maintaing a complex warship design capability. It is very expensive.RetroSicotte wrote:I honestly cannot bring to mind a large aircraft carrier design that has ever been exported as a design for someone else to build due to wanting the design.
That is quite a coup for British design if that goes through, the only large carrier in modern times to achieve an export contract!
It was a Thales concept. The design was created by a team of hundreds, mostly from Bae.Poiuytrewq wrote:Interesting that BAE is taking the lead on what was a Thales/BMT design.
CAMM-ER is just as maneuverable as its shorter range cousin. The longer minimum range is because the booster fires for a longer period of time before it drops away, and the missile goes faster at the end of the boost phase. Hence the longer range.Timmymagic wrote:CAMM-ER is longer but that's it. It isn't as manoeuvrable as CAMM so has a longer minimum effective range
Why would they get that ?Lord Jim wrote:And the RAF will be happy because they get all the F-35s and can buy the A model.
The view from @HMSPWLS as her big sister, @HMSQNLZ arrives back in the basin at Rosyth, Scotland. A tribute to British engineering.
After successful sea trials, which included landing the first F35B on deck, @HMSQNLZ will now enter a period of scheduled maintenance.