Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[inch]

so the mod and the engineer etc have quoted differing definitions one quoting uk and one quoting us measurements ,seems a mad way of going about thing really ,thanks

[Jake1992]

I know wiki isn't alway spot on but it's quoting them at 70,600 metric tons and 77,800 short ton

Could it be that reporters are just going off old material from the orginal design weight ?

[RichardIC]

There are also several thousand different way of measuring displacement, so it depends on which you use (don't forget to take away the number you first thought of)

From Wiki

There are terms for the displacement of a vessel under specified conditions:

Loaded displacemen
Loaded displacement is the weight of the ship including cargo, passengers, fuel, water, stores, dunnage and such other items necessary for use on a voyage. These bring the ship down to its "load draft", colloquially known as the "waterline".
Full load displacement and loaded displacement have almost identical definitions. Full load is defined as the displacement of a vessel when floating at its greatest allowable draft as established by classification societies (and designated by its "waterline"). Warships have arbitrary full load condition established.
Deep load condition means full ammunition and stores, with most available fuel capacity used.[citation needed]
Light displacement
Light displacement (LDT) is defined as the weight of the ship excluding cargo, fuel, water, ballast, stores, passengers, crew, but with water in boilers to steaming level.[6]
Normal displacement
Normal displacement is the ship's displacement "with all outfit, and two-thirds supply of stores, ammunition, etc., on board."
Standard displacement
Standard displacement, also known as "Washington displacement", is a specific term defined by the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922.[9] It is defined as the displacement of the ship complete, fully manned, engined, and equipped ready for sea, including all armament and ammunition, equipment, outfit, provisions and fresh water for crew, miscellaneous stores, and implements of every description that are intended to be carried in war, but without fuel or reserve boiler feed water on board.[

[The Armchair Soldier]

[CameronPerson]

A very impressive view of Queen Elizabeth this afternoon. (Photo by @EcoVenturesUK)

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And two Queen Elizabeth's for the price of one.. (Photo by @CruiseIncentive)

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[CameronPerson]

* I take back the "two for the price of one" comment should it be misconstrued

[SKB]

^ MS Caribbean Princess vs HMS Queen Elizabeth off Kirkcaldy. QE sounds her horn at 30 seconds. (27th June 2017)


^ Kirkcaldy (3rd July 2017)

[CameronPerson]

Do you know which horn belongs to which ship in the first video?

[SKB]

In the first video, the first horn is the Caribbean Princess. The deeper horn at 30 seconds is the QE

[cockneyjock1974]

Dave Cullen has stated in the last couple of hours that QE is having a few days R&R then going to berth for fuel.

[SKB]

R's

Out of curiosity why do we mark the carrier's with an R? Do all NATO countries user the same designations ?

You would think that 'A' for Aircraft Carrier would be the most logical choice. However:
'A' is used by Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels (the supply ships), such as RFA Tidespring (A136)

Then how about C for Carrier?
'C' was already taken by Cruisers, such as HMS Belfast (C35)

The next letter in the word "AIRCRAFT" after 'A' that they might have used was the letter 'I', but 'I' could be confused with a number 1. So the next letter after 'I' in 'AIRCRAFT' is 'R'. Coincidentally, 'R' is the third letter in both 'AIRCRAFT' and 'CARRIER'.

So 'R' was chosen for the RN and some other countries have also used 'R' ever since. Some examples:

The French carrier Charles de Gaulle has the pennant R91.
India's INS Vikramaditya has R33 and their former carrier INS Viraat (ex HMS Hermes R12) had R22
The decommissioned Spanish carrier Príncipe de Asturias had R11

[Thorvicson]

Dave Cullen has stated in the last couple of hours that QE is having a few days R&R then going to berth for fuel.

Well its a mix of RN crew and ACA civilian technicians so I would guess they get weekends off and some will probably return home whilst some of the crew will get shore leave.

On a plus point we may see the crew boats in use for a large de-embarkation to test that at sea

[CR4ZYHOR5E]

I've heard a story about the 'R' but no idea as to accuracy. Someone told me that they were sailing with a navy chap around the Solent and enquired about the 'R'...the navy chap said that the 'R' is for 'recovery'.

[ArmChairCivvy]

In the good old days the second R was for "Recreation"
- Everyone in Vietnam was permitted ONE R&R during their one-year (13 months for the Marines) tour of duty.
... Bangkok was a top destination

[RNFollower]

Dave Cullen has stated in the last couple of hours that QE is having a few days R&R then going to berth for fuel.

Well its a mix of RN crew and ACA civilian technicians so I would guess they get weekends off and some will probably return home whilst some of the crew will get shore leave.

On a plus point we may see the crew boats in use for a large de-embarkation to test that at sea

I don't think they have been delivered yet. Still testing them. The first 2 (Swordfish and Buccaneer, Cool Names!) are more or less finished I believe and I think are in Portsmouth at the moment. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Digger22]

Whats the Scran like? Any menu's anyone can show us?

[SKB]

Archer class vessels HMS Dasher (P280) and HMS Pursuer (P273) met with QE at noon.


(HMS Qnlz) 7/7/2017

The first Royal Navy visitors to use the transom HMS Pursuer & HMS Dasher.

They both just left QE at 12:45

[SKB]

(HMSQnlz) 7/7/2017

Looks like we have visitors above, as well. The Ship's Company know what this means: time to head for the mail room!

[Gabriele]

The AN/SPN-41 radar is another thing that will have to be fitted later on, it seems.

[SKB]

When TWO Queen Elizabeth's Met!

[Bring Deeps]

One of the WWII memoirs I read related a similar encounter between the battleship and the then troopship. The author recalled both ships signalled 'snap'.

[SKB]

Strange that an aircraft carrier can look prettier and more elegant than a bland and boxy looking cruise ship

[bobp]

In the good old days the second R was for "Recreation"

Yes that's correct. When I worked for the US Government I had 10 days R and R, on top of my annual leave. And I headed for Bangkok as well. The other popular place was Signapore.

[Gabriele]

HMS Prince of Wales naming ceremony in September:


The Royal Lancers is privileged to have affiliations with a number of other units, both nationally and internationally but none can match the sheer size and scale of HMS Prince of Wales. The second of the Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers, HMS PoW is currently being constructed in Rosyth dockyard in Scotland. She is due to be formally named by HRH The Prince of Wales and HRH The Duchess of Cornwall in September. As a result, The Royal Navy, Captain and Crew of HMS PoW have asked that The Regiment celebrate their joint-relationship and be part of that ceremony; therefore, The Royal Lancers will mount a Lance Guard at the bow of the ship as it is formally named. Yesterday, the Commanding Officer and the Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant-Major, WO2 Hollis, visited the ship where they were given by a tour by the Senior Naval Officer, the XO (Second-in-Command), Principal Warfare Officer and members of the ship's crew. Preparations are now underway for the September ceremony which will also be attended by the Colonel of the Regiment and live-streamed by Sky News. Below, the CO, RQMS (Main), Lt Clarkson, the XO and the Principal Warfare Officer are pictured at the bow of the ship which stands over 17 stories high.

[SKB]

HMS PoW is currently being constructed in Rosyth dockyard in Scotland. She is due to be formally named by HRH The Prince of Wales and HRH The Duchess of Cornwall in September.

So that would mean QE won't be re-entering Dock 1 for repainting until October at the earliest then, with autumn rain and wind?
Could PoW be floated out early to the fitting out area for her naming ceremony there instead, so that QE can re-dock before autumn?