Let me dumb it down for you, how long has the UK been out of producing MBT? Has that organic base been sold off?shark bait wrote:I never said commercial spec, your now making things up to fuel your own argument.Tinman wrote:
If shark bait wants a tank made on commercial spec, let him face the first round coming the other way.
Let's dumb it down for you. David brown are an engineering company, operating commercially, on public sector contracts. A big part if their business is transmission, particularly for tractors. However once called upon they use a higher grade alloy, add some thickness to components and use the same engineers , fitters , equipment and suppliers to produce gear boxes for tanks and boats, in fact I believe it is a david brown inside the challenger 2, and will be in the type 26. Here they can use existing skills and plant to save money and benifit from existing purchasing power and economies of scale
Now let's compare that to the nuclear reactor built by Rolls Royce. That department only builds the components for uk nuclear sub's. Any lull in activity means staff are laid off, skills and equipment are lost. Rebuilding the capability is now difficult where as david brown will carry on through the lull based on their other commercial operations.
The story is similar for suspension components, the electronics, the engine, the weapon's, the hull, and everything else. All we are lacking is a place to put them all together.
How much more are a tax payer willing to pay for a bespoke MBT just to satisfy your ego?
I'm no expert on how a MBT operates, but I know that they love logistics, I've been very well trained at killing MBT, saw a few from the opposite side of a two way range.
Leopard and Abrahams upgrades provide best value to the tax payers,
For example the javelin (not designed as a moped killer) will K kill at best or M Kill at worst either of those.
80,00 vs your BAE Nimrod MK 4 fantasy.
Cost versus benefit we can, but we can buy cheaper, slip into the logistical support. Or we can design a bespoke MBT that
Only we will use at massive expense.
You propse that. What do you propse to cut to gain that?
I'd rather have a AH64E fleet and either or leopard or M1a3-4