Ron5 wrote:God forbid the BA ever aspiring to have the best tank. That would never do.
mr.fred wrote:Ron5 wrote:God forbid the BA ever aspiring to have the best tank. That would never do.
A CR2 LEP with a 130mm gun would only be the best tank in a top trump deck.
In real life the rate of fire would tend to zero over any period of time, unless you also scope to include an auto loader. Scope creep being the death of any project, I would be very much against it.
Top of the line 120mm for CR2 and get it done ASAP rather that wait for maybe better. Keep a weather eye on the 130mm. If that is likely to be the next NATO gun then let someone else develop it then buy in once the kinks are ironed out. Use CR2 LEP to cover while you work on its successor.
Or a v big autoloader... so big, that you'll need oil drums filled with concrete as counterweightsRunningStrong wrote:you're going to need a S-Tank to be able to handle them!
Sounds goodRon5 wrote:waiting for CR2 and Warrior to get sorted and then onto a turreted Boxer (presumably with a variant of the LM 40mm Ajax/Warrior) for an all wheeled strike force with presumably Ajaxes all redeployed to tracked formations. In favor?
The order was for 5, but they were all to be mixed Ajax/ lighter platformsLord Jim wrote:just two Recce Regiments
RetroSicotte wrote:Challenger 2 with the L55A1 would be quite handsomely the most powerful firepower on any tank in the world as is.
Cooper wrote:RetroSicotte wrote:Challenger 2 with the L55A1 would be quite handsomely the most powerful firepower on any tank in the world as is.
..It will also be overweight and underpowered with its current powerplant.
RetroSicotte wrote: It has a 20% increase in its potential "power" (generic term, not yet explained in which manner this is gained).
Has been available for the export model for 10-15 years. er, except that there haven't been any exports (no idea what powers the ones that Oman has).Monty1985 wrote:Isn't the CR2 supposed to be getting a new a powerplant
ArmChairCivvy wrote: (no idea what powers the ones that Oman has).
Cooper wrote:..It will also be overweight and underpowered with its current powerplant.
mr.fred wrote:Odd how the export tank thing seems to have died a death - maybe the proliferation of surplus MBT fleets?
I don't recall seeing anything on the latest 120mm smoothbore being capable of taking a longer shell. How would that work anyway? A tank gun is basically a tube and if you change the chamber you can't use the same ammunition.
RetroSicotte wrote:It may be "bigger" shell. Smoothbores take a lot more longer shells than the L30A1 because it's two piece, not one piece. But dart sizes inside the shell have increased due to how much less space the propellant needs as chemistry improves, thats why they are "longer". It's not referring to the shell, but to the tungsten/DU dart inside it.
Ron5 wrote:But, and I maybe wrong, I understand that the upgrade program (LEP) requires that there is provision for the smooth bore gun to be fitted. The last I read said that Bae managed to do this by rearranging the current turret (or at least allow for the possibility) but Rheinmetal proposal included a brand new turret which allows for the bigger shells from the get go.
Lord Jim wrote:I may be wrong, but I think the Rheinmetall turret is related to the existing CR2 one, but was stripped right back and basically rebuilt to allow for ammo stowage of the one piece rounds for the L55A1 together with other new equipment, but allowed for the retention of existing kit that was to be retained.
If we are retaining the CR2 out to the mid 2030s, having a new gun is almost mandatory, and that entails a LEP submission along the lines of the one from Rheinmetall. With the teaming up with BAe at the Telford site for Boxer, maybe the two companies should actually propose a joint submission, aiming for the top end of the options list, but I would be happy if Rheinmetall went it alone and were given the contract. BAe is giving control of its only remaining full assembly plant to Rheinmetall, and has little AFV foot print remaining in the UK after this, most being in the US.
The British MoD choice effectively eliminated all other biding companies, which were the Belgian CMI Defence (in a team with Ricardo), the German company KMW (teamed up with Pearson Engineering), the Swiss company RUAG and Lockheed-Martin UK, which teamed with the Israeli company Elbit Systems for a last minute offer.
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